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Instructions: There are 72 objects on the table that one can use on me as desired.
Performance: I am the object. During this period I take full responsibility.
Duration: 6 hours (8pm–2am.) Studio Morra, Naples
this post was submitted on 30 Aug 2023
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I agree she was prepared for it and expected it but still fucked. She didn’t tell them to be cruel…she just said they were allowed to. Reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment where you kind of give people a tacit permission to be evil…so they do and then we are confronted with the aftermath. I just can’t imagine I could cause someone’s skin to bleed purposefully and not feel awful…
Not the same but related…this guy was shot as an art piece
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_(Burden)
The Stanford prison experiment couldn't be replicated and the data are widely considered useless in psychologist community. Basically someone wanted to be famous so they created a shocking but fake study.
If I correctly remember my psychology lessons from 10+ years ago though, the results of Milgram's experiment has been reproduced countless times which sort of backs up the original point.
What is the original point?
People are fucked up
Well, thats wrong. All is tells us is, that the people in the Experiment did fucked up things. These people were raised in a fucked society, they may have experienced violence, thay may be traumatised, they may idolize the traditional male rolemodel vor they may not. What far too often gets overlooked is that you can't put people in experiments and look at them as if they where in there in a vaccum, untouched by society. Put Nazis in there you have one result. Put Queer feminist leftist in there you have another result. Put indigenous societies in the experiment, you have a different result.
People aren't generally fucked up. Society is fucked up and that shows through the action of its people. "People are fucked up" is a very fashist thought, it means we must have a strong state that puts its siticens in the "right" place. And that is just wrong.
(More on why people aren't fucked up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVe4Fju0P0)
Well yes and no. You can say that it's just the people in any experiment but past a certain point you have to be able to extrapolate the results to the population at large. And (again, if memory serves) the results of this experiment have been replicated numerous times across numerous population samples.
Also, the point of Milgram isn't that people are fucked up, it's that people will follow orders when those orders are issued by someone in a perceived position of authority. And it's funny you mention Nazis because the experiment was Milgram's response to the "I was just following orders" defence from the Nuremberg trials.
In conclusion: non-fucked-up people will do fucked up things if their boss tells them to.
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To strengthen a hypothesis.
See my other post below for a little more context, but basically it showed that people will do awful things if someone in authority tells them to
I seem to remember that it's not well received in psychologist community, though I gotta admit I'm not quite sure. If you want, I can ask my gf who's a psychologist.
Just get any warehouse or factory in UK where the moment somebody steps up as middle management they start being ultra evil to the employees who are too weak to do anything as they're bound by visas etc.
I've seen it happen so many times, at some point I've been offered a job position and they told me "yeah the salary is not attactuve but you get to yell at "pakis" all day"
Like what the fuck
The Stanford Prison Experiment was a sham and couldn't be replicated.
This Art project still seems gruesome....
There was no experiment. There was a LARP, in which the GM explicitly instructed the players to be abusive to one another. So they did. After a couple days of this bullshit, the GM's girlfriend made him stop the game.
It wasn't so much a sham as it was a gigantic mess, and that's the lesson. Zimbardo conducted one hell of a mess that had to be ditched less than halfway through and was only ditched because a grad student of his came in and was appalled by what he was letting happen as part of his "role" as the warden. He'd gotten directly involved in the study and as a result fucked it all up.