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[–] cbarrick 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah. BOTH parties died, and the cops have yet to explain what happened in their encounter with the shooter.

Like, obviously the shooter was a murderer and a bigot. But was he a threat to the cops? I'd feel a lot better if they said something (or maybe that's just not being reported by the news sources I've seen?)

No one deserves to be killed. Even bigots and murderers have that right.

There are a lot of great things about this country, but the gun violence rate is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

He was holding a handgun when they found him and he probably didn't drop it or waved it at them. I agree with you in principle.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, we have missed the chance to subject the shooter to questioning in court and expose their prejudice properly. Now there is a danger they will become a martyr

[–] Rhoeri 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sorry, but I disagree. Any piece of shit that hates others so much that they will kill because of It- needs to be put down like the animal they are. They deserve no mercy and need to be removed from the population.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

But I don't trust cops. They don't deserve that power. They'll use it in cases we won't agree with.

[–] trashgirlfriend 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, guy was armed and already fired.

Would you take the risk? This is one of the times where police use of deadly force is actually warranted.

[–] tabular 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We can say "he had already fired" but at the scene cops don't know that. Cops found a guy who matches some sort of description, it may or may not have been him.

Shoot first, questions later, may turn out well then but generally no that's not how it should work. Yes cops need to take that risk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it was actually the guy that did it.

We should come up with some process where a small, randomly representative democratic panel can be informed of the facts and then decide if he's really the murderer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It is this type of morality that drove him to do what he did. Life is not just a commodity you can just throw away. Instead of trying to bury the problem with more violence, try and sort it by educating the kids better in this area.

[–] Etterra -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IMO, death is too-good for anyone who deserves to be killed. It's an easy out.

But in answer to your question, I'm not surprised. Somebody who crosses the line in a rage is less likely to just give up without a fight. Somebody being a confrontational, hateful asshole who picks that fight and then kills someone is more likely to be like "welp I'm fucked, might as well go out shooting." They may even believe that they've got some kind of moral high ground, although such a belief is more likely a justification in their own heads.