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She hung a Pride flag at her shop. She was killed over it, officials say.
(www.washingtonpost.com)
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2023
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Yeah. BOTH parties died, and the cops have yet to explain what happened in their encounter with the shooter.
Like, obviously the shooter was a murderer and a bigot. But was he a threat to the cops? I'd feel a lot better if they said something (or maybe that's just not being reported by the news sources I've seen?)
No one deserves to be killed. Even bigots and murderers have that right.
There are a lot of great things about this country, but the gun violence rate is fucked.
He was holding a handgun when they found him and he probably didn't drop it or waved it at them. I agree with you in principle.
Yes, we have missed the chance to subject the shooter to questioning in court and expose their prejudice properly. Now there is a danger they will become a martyr
Sorry, but I disagree. Any piece of shit that hates others so much that they will kill because of It- needs to be put down like the animal they are. They deserve no mercy and need to be removed from the population.
But I don't trust cops. They don't deserve that power. They'll use it in cases we won't agree with.
Yeah, guy was armed and already fired.
Would you take the risk? This is one of the times where police use of deadly force is actually warranted.
We can say "he had already fired" but at the scene cops don't know that. Cops found a guy who matches some sort of description, it may or may not have been him.
Shoot first, questions later, may turn out well then but generally no that's not how it should work. Yes cops need to take that risk.
If it was actually the guy that did it.
We should come up with some process where a small, randomly representative democratic panel can be informed of the facts and then decide if he's really the murderer.
It is this type of morality that drove him to do what he did. Life is not just a commodity you can just throw away. Instead of trying to bury the problem with more violence, try and sort it by educating the kids better in this area.
[Comment removed. My philosophy has changed and I no longer support the kind of Socratic virtue argument I used here.]
I checked a couple of their comments on other stuff, they love Nietzsche and think child labor laws are a bad thing. Yea this person is 100% a Nazi apologist, or maybe just a straight up Nazi pretending to be a centrist
Yes those were the two key Nazi platforms
I am not a Nazi apologist like you claim, and I see now that we are clearly beyond the point of reasoning with the intolerant bigots - they must be removed by force as you're saying. I agree with your points. We're fighting the same fight, just in different ways - and I never attempted to formulate a strawman fallacy (although your ad hominem is nearly as repulsive). I agree with your method now, I was simply trying to find a way to avoid unnecessary bloodshed where clearly there is no way.
Sorry I made you feel so insulted by my argument as to make those points against me. I concede.
You are still a better person than them if you hate them.
They hate us because of made up bullshit culture wars.
We hate them because they want us and people we care about dead.
These are in no way equal. I hate every single one of these people.
Nah, we can be better than them and still take joy in bad things happening to them :3
Thanks for the downvotes libs! Stay mad that people don't like fascists as much as you
Hey! We found a tankie!
That's true only tankies are allowed to hate Nazis
/s fuck tankies, what the heck kind of take is that? "you hate literal fascists that means you like Stalin" ?????
Well, Stalin was a fascist. And Tankies like to call everyone who doesn't 100% agree with their radical views as fascists and like to throw out "lib" like it's a slur to anyone they're arguing with. I'm just making an educated guess here.
IMO, death is too-good for anyone who deserves to be killed. It's an easy out.
But in answer to your question, I'm not surprised. Somebody who crosses the line in a rage is less likely to just give up without a fight. Somebody being a confrontational, hateful asshole who picks that fight and then kills someone is more likely to be like "welp I'm fucked, might as well go out shooting." They may even believe that they've got some kind of moral high ground, although such a belief is more likely a justification in their own heads.
It happened in New Zealand?
Oh, shut up. There's nothing about discussing the underlying factors that contributed to this woman's death that is in any way disrespectful to the memory of the victim.
If I were to become a deceased victim, be it of crime, disease, or accident, I would want my death to be looked at enough to see if we can find ways to prevent others from suffering my same fate. To do less would be to negate the value behind my passing.
Less false piety, more conversations.
Well, that's something you certainly could learn to do yourself, judging from the way you're acting.
You're mistaking annoyance for piety.
It turns out something can have multiple causes. A rising wave of bigotry and easy access to firearms can both contribute to someone being shot.