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Girl, 13, gives birth after she was raped and denied abortion in Mississippi
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This is what Republicans want for all of us.
If Republicans win the next election, they will institute a national abortion ban without exceptions for rape or incest.
If you want to stop this, the only way to do so is to vote for Biden. I really hope people understand this.
What it's going to take is to vote in Biden, then whoever the Democrats run in 2028, 2032, 2036. Until enough of the Republican justices die in office that actual jurists can replace them.
That's not the only way of stopping them.
This is the way.
It's not even a way to stop them.
Biden has literally been president during this whole Roe v Wade overturning.
It's so exhausting to see libs walk this line so close to being actual progressives, but not, all for their precious capitalism.
You're never going to beat the system by playing within the rules it's set you, the house always wins.
Okay. Outline a reasonable action Biden could have taken to prevent the ruling.
He could have pushed to have it codified.
He could have also pushed student loan forgiveness for all borrowers instead of the bullshit means testing that got it shut down.
Without 60 votes in the Senate, shit, without 50, it codification of abortion rights wasn't happening. And he did push loan forgiveness, the Supreme Court shut that down.
It got shut down because of the means testing he included. If he hadn't excluded some borrowers it would have gone through.
Nope, it got shut down because the court ruled that it amounted to the executive appropriating money. Means testing is constitutional.
It wasn't the means testing that shut it down, if anything it wouldn't have made it as far as it did without the means testing. As it is, people were already complaining that it was a giveaway to wealthy folks who don't need it. Take away the income limit and it would have less than zero chance of succeeding.
The president has very little power over legislative decisions. Yes, he could have used the bully pulpit to advocate for abortion legislation, but it would have accomplished nothing.
Voting is good, yes.
So is protesting. We must use all the tools at our disposal, provided they are used to protect and support the most marginalized of our communities.
Why can't Biden do something to safeguard abortion in his current term?
If he can't do something on his current term, why will he be able to do something on his next one?
Biden doesn't have the authority to safeguard abortion. He had the authority to veto Congress. Biden would veto a nationwide abortion ban. Trump or any other Republican would not.
Additionally, presidents appoint supreme Court justices in the event of a vacancy, or if Congress ever gets on board for expanding the court.. do we'd need a Democrat in office if we're ever going to reverse Dobbs.
Can't he do it temporarily via executive order?
No. It isn't in the scope of executive powers.
If there was a national law protecting the right to abortion, he could use executive orders to enforce that. But that isn't the world we live in anymore.
It would take an act of congress, and the D's don't have the votes. Shitty but true.
Don't bother, he's from Lemmygrad and just wants to blame the Democrats for everything
Dude, I'm not even from the US. My question is, in my opinion, an obvious one, at least to an outsider to the US political system. Why do you have to vote him again, when he's in power now?
His presidential subscription needs to be re-upped every Summer Olympics
Because presidents serve for a limited number of years.
Of which he had 4 in total to do something about abortions, so I fail to see how that's an adequate answer
Well that's different than what you asked before but ok. The president doesn't create new laws. That's the job of the legislature. Currently the republicans hold more seats in the house and in the senate there's 48 Dem, 49 Rep, and 3 Ind. So not likely to produce anything about abortion other than trying to ban it. It doesn't look like anyone else is going to be a real contender to run in Biden's place and anyone from the republican side would clearly be worse and would greenlight any anti-abortion bills that legislature would try to pass. So the obvious and adequate answer is that when Biden's term is up we are going to have to vote for him again because there are no better options and the legislature is not in a state that will work to protect pro-choice rights but is in a state where it could try to limit those rights. Also, Biden was sworn in on Jan 20th 2021 so he hasn't had 4 years yet.
It’s a classic case of maintaining the status quo. He may not be able to codify abortion protection but he can at least stop the R’s from doing it.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9
https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/
https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/
Don't bother, he's from lemmy.world and just wants to blame the leftists for everything.
Acktually… I think it’s lemm.ee
Whatever you say, fash
I probably agree with your stance on abortion over all. I also generally dislike ML Communists/Leninists for their cultish indoctrination and authoritarian tendencies. But you've been way off base with this reply and the previous one in this chain. And are only serving to make yourself look bad. Something that can and has happened to all of us sometimes. Step back, take a look around, and chill.
Dude, these fuckers called me a fascist because I'm a liberal. You want to tell someone to chill, tell them.
No one in this thread called you a fascist you little baby. Someone from a different country asked you an honest question and you turned it into a self-pity party.
No one did. And even if they did that wasn't the only thing I was talking about. There are valid criticisms about all ideologies especially liberalism. I may not agree with the extremism and hypocrisy that they attack it with. But sometimes your enemies or people you just don't like do have a point. Separate yourself from the system and stop being offended for it.
You aren't an ideology. You're more complex and more flexible than that. Just like other people. Sometimes we all forget that though. You started out attacking the messenger. Not the message. Yeah I think lemmygrad is a toxic place, and wouldn't associate with it. But, that had no real bearing on what the person said.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/343213/-/comment/1636453
Four links calling me a fascist. And I'm happy to analyze criticisms made in good faith, using the words of the person I'm talking to. Link-dumping ideological screeds against liberals from smug leftists who sit on their asses and declare that I'm the same as a Republican when I'm pushing for progress? That, I am not open to.
What did I just finish saying. You are a person not an ideology. And if those articles really are written about you personally. Perhaps should do some introspection. No I believe you're just engaging in hyperbole at the moment.
But tell me you don't have the self-awareness to see the irony in someone basically doing to you what you did to the lemmygrad poster. Which again, I don't like lemmygrad. But you're critique of that poster was rather equally extreme and uncalled for.
It's silly were even having this discussion at this point. Because I asure you for the topic this whole thread of posts is founded upon. You both probably agree far more than you disagree. And both your energies should be turned towards the people who made this a possibility. Not each other. Hell I'd say you both probably have a lot more in common than you think. It's clear you've reduced them to the ideology of leninism. And you strongly identify yourself as a liberal. You are both adherence to largely failed ideologies. So you have that in common. I Kidd. But seriously. All of this is wasted drama and effort.
Yeah, look, man, I'm open to working with anyone in coalition, even if I disagree with them. That's why I'm a liberal. People who call me a fascist for joining that kind of coalition, they aren't open to working with me. I've interacted quite a lot with people like that. They don't want collaboration, they want capitulation on every topic so they can dictate events. Except there's five billion different ways that the various people in those communities want to dictate events, so there's not even an avenue towards uniting people in a functional coalition.
As a socialist (social democrat/true libertarian) ish I don't totally disagree with you. However the question seemed pretty innocuous and even sincere. You came in a bit hot. I've done it too. And probably will do it again at some point. But when we do that it just drives us apart and causes everyone else to behave extremely too.
I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that when someone has already decided that I'm the same as a Republican because I'm a social liberal, then there's really not much of a point in anything beyond mocking them for being unrealistic and trying to play for the audience.
Do you deny that many democrats/liberals have over the years acquiesced and even assisted in bad Republican legislation? That's not a controversial thing to point out. They have.
And look even you are giving qualifiers now. Calling yourself a socially liberal. Which is something very different from economic liberalism. Which is what generally people are talking about when they talk about liberals. If I had to Hazard a guess. I would say that you are honestly pro-social democracy more than you are a liberal. And in fact on many economic issues would actually be more on the left with the rest of the Socialist then you would most economic right wing liberals. Just something to consider.
Anyhow I've said my piece. And it seems the actual extremist and downvote Squad have showed up. We had a pretty reasonable conversation but getting downvoted I don't see the point and continuing it anymore have a good day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
As others have stated. In the current environment there is not much Biden can do Beyond veto bad Republican legislation. Or if he's lucky enough replace an outgoing Supreme Court Justice or other Federal Justice.
The actual question to be asking is why in the last 50+ years. When there was much more support for, and ability to enshrine the right to an abortion in law. Did Senator Biden and all the other Democrats and even Republicans of the time not do anything and just kick the can down the road as they have. A criticism that could be commonly launched against them for many different things we are now facing. I wouldn't say it's malice or anything like that. But it's definitely incompetence and a massive lack of foresight and honesty.
Which session of Congress should they have introduced that legislation in order to actually get it passed? Pick a year. It's not a rhetorical question.
It's easy to cast blame when you don't have to actually think about the realities of passing landmark legislation. The reality is that Roe v. Wade was the law of the land, and it was reasonable for Congress not to pull that thread both practically (don't have the votes) and politically (why aren't the Democrats doing x instead?).
The next two sessions following January 22nd 1973. That accurate enough for you? Support for Roe vs Wade was near it's highest. And those involved understood why.
It's easy to pretend that people don't know the difficulty of passing landmark legislation. When you don't have actual facts to dispute what they say. But that does not excuse legislators from never even trying. Which is the point. I can understand it being hard to pass legislation especially in today's climate. Where Republicans are pretty much just against passing anything unless it's xenophobic bigoted Etc. But no one of any party ever tried once to pass legislation in shrining and protecting it. And we can criticize them for not even trying.
Yeah! How dare Senator Biden not get sweeping legislation passed during his freshman term 50 years ago!
There's plenty to lay at Joe Biden's feet if you want to criticize him--or his party--but grievances against the party barely holding back the tide of fascism because they didn't stick their necks out on questionable legislation half a century ago strikes me as a little ridiculous. Has it not occurred to anyone throwing these tantrums that this SCOTUS would have swept away legislation just as easily as it swept away Roe?
Who the fuck cares about Joe Biden specifically? There were a lot more Democrats who weren't him than those who were him and none of them ever even tried. Ever.
Say what you want about elected republicans. They are some of the worst human beings on earth. Truly horrible people. Hearts filled with selfishness and hate. But all that said. You still have to respect them. They fight to hurt the average person with a focus and a tenacity that cannot be extinguished. And it works. Democrats spent 50 years not even trying to enshrine or protect Roe. Republicans built an Empire on killing it. Democrats spent 50 years poo pooing and telling us that these crazy people would make rational decisions and never overturn roe. Only in the end to surprise Pikachu face when the crazies did the crazy thing that they've been screeching about for 50 years. Democrats caught with their pants down having done not a damned thing to protect it.
It's a valid criticism of democrats. And part of why people don't vote for them. I'm not speaking for myself personally I vote against Republicans whenever I'm given the chance. And generally that means voting for Democrats in a red State like I am. I voted for Biden in 2020 and I will be voting for him again in 2024. people just want to feel like they are important, like they matter. People just want their representatives to fight with a fraction of the tenacity of the people trying to hurt them. It's not too much to ask.