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[–] HardlightCereal 32 points 2 years ago (22 children)

You want examples of systemic racism?

  • Poverty is inherited and it's impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Black people in America are poor because they used to be slaves
  • White cultural traditions are legal in Australia. Many aboriginal cultural traditions have been made illegal in Australia due to land ownership changes
  • Black people are under-represented in universities, so the university scientists building facial recognition apps aren't building them to work on black people
  • Schools teach their lessons in english. Multilingual students who don't speak english at home often have a disadvantage in lessons that will be felt their whole lives
  • Children of illegal immigrants may have never received identification such as a birth certificate and it can be hard to get this as an adult
  • Whenever the police use robotic and computer systems to detect criminals the AI ends up racial profiling and harassing black people
[–] guy 6 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Schools teach their lessons in english.

When you have to pick a language to teach in, isn't this the best language to teach in though, in a predominantly English speaking society?

I don't think segregating classes into separate language-based ones would be a good idea. That leaves kids not speaking English at home nor at school in an even bigger disadvantage in terms of learning English and we need we need kids of all different backgrounds mixing together so that they may understand and accept one another.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When you have to pick a language to teach in, isn’t this the best language to teach in though, in a predominantly English speaking society?

And how did that society become predominantly English speaking? You just highlighted the point OOP was making.

English (and French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc) became dominant by pushing the native languages on the brink of extinction through systematic racism. So now that the damage is done, instead of fixing it, we just carry on and deny kids the right to receive an education in their native language? (Speeding up the rate of extinction)

[–] guy 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm from the UK, we are the natives here.

Though, I would agree in the UK when it comes to other native languages under threat, like Scottish Gaelic and Welsh.

However, I still think in any English speaking country, proficient English is the most important thing a child can learn in order to thrive in modern society. And separating children of different languages is not a good thing, it only makes racism worse. Instead, we should focus on lessons and programs that teach other native languages, to preserve them, and also teach English to those that don't speak it at home.

Teaching and preservation programs have worked well for Welsh and the language is growing once again.

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