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What's with the schism between lemmygrad and beehaw? (self.asklemmy)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Chraccoon to c/asklemmy

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I am exploring Lemmy right now and what I see is very worrying to me, but I also don't understand wth is going on with some instances here. I don't know if it's smart to post this, but here we go.

I am partial to Marxist and anarchist ideology, but lemmygrad looks completely unhinged to me. Is it a parody? Some content is fine and some of it is insane.

On the other hand, beehaw looked super inviting from the outside and I even applied to join them. Then, I looked closer and that instance's moderation looks totalitarian and rigid in the other way. (I understand why they blocked lemmygrad though...)

I'm seeing this impact other communities in different ways and there's some kind of witch hunt happening on both sides...

I want to interact with people that can respect each-other and that can hold open-minded discussions about any topics without devolving into some tribal war.

Edit: I realize my post is not a simple question... Let me clarify some thoughs:
-I do not mean beehaw is far-right. The just seem strict and that's their right.
-I worry profiles can "inherit" the bad reputation of instances they interacted with and get pre-emptively banned.
-People are used to reddit and tend to centralize. Is the "just switch community" really an option?
-English is far from my first language and I might've judged things too quickly/harshly so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

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[–] lp0101 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Lemmygrad is full of unhinged tankies. I just automatically assume anyone posting there is a child, either physically or mentally.

Beehaw have their own rules, and that's fine. While not my cup of tea, I won't tell them how to run their instance. I respect those rules when I post to their communities. I particularly enjoy their technology and gaming communities.

Other instances are pretty alright. The vibe on lemmy.world is pretty great, which is why it's my home instance.

Edit: inb4 this comment also gets brigaded by tankies chomping at the bit to call me a "liberal"

[–] IncogCyberspaceUser 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Edit: looks like lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works is also affected, due to open sign up policies. https://lemmy.world/post/145337
I get there is issues between beehaw and lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.
But what does this have to do with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works? As mentioned here: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/24341/How-the-beehaw-defederation-affects-us

[–] Chraccoon 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've browsed some of beehaw's communities last night and there was a lot of terrible posts from outside being made there.
My guess is they fear defederated users from bad instances making throwaway accounts on lemmy.world to troll them from here and circumvent moderation.
I understand why they did that, but it seems very extreme and shows shortcomings in lemmy's moderation tools.
We are now tainted by the unhinged.
I don't know how I feel about this since there's no real good answer...
Maybe lemmy.world should limit sign-ups, but that could be seen as being coerced by beehaw and give them political power they don't deserve.
Something better would be to have community-level moderation tools and also tools for instances to limit interaction instead of outright nuking it. Lemmy needs more development quickly or it may suffocate.

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