this post was submitted on 29 Jul 2023
985 points (95.6% liked)
Confidently Incorrect
3983 readers
1 users here now
When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.
Posting guidelines.
All posts in this community have come from elsewhere, it is not original content, the poster in this community is not OP. The person who posts in this community isn’t necessarily endorsing whatever the post is talking about and they are not looking to argue with you about the content in the post.
You are welcome to discuss and debate any topic but arguments are not welcome here. I consider debate/discussions to be civil; people with different opinions participating in respectful conversations. It becomes an argument as soon as someone becomes aggressive, nasty, insulting or just plain unpleasant. Report argumentative comments, then ignore them.
There is currently no rule about how recent a post needs to be because the community is about the comeback part, not the topic.
Rules:
• Be civil and remember the human.
• No trolling, insults or name calling. Swearing in general is fine, but not to insult someone.
• No bigotry of any kind, including homophobia, transphobia, sexism and racism.
• You are welcome to discuss and debate any topic but arguments are not welcome here. I consider debate/discussions to be civil; people with different opinions participating in respectful conversations. It becomes an argument as soon as someone becomes aggressive, nasty, insulting or just plain unpleasant. Report argumentative comments, then ignore them.
• Try not to get too political. A lot of these posts will involve politics, but this isn’t the place for political arguments.
• Participate in good faith - don’t be aggressive and don’t argue for arguements sake.
• Mark NSFW posts if they contain nudity.
• Satire is allowed but please start the post title with [satire] so other users can filter it out if they’d like.
Please report comments that break site or community rules to the mods. If you break the rules you’ll receive one warning before being banned from this community.
This community follows the rules of the lemmy.world instance and the lemmy.org code of conduct. I’ve summarised them here:
- Be civil, remember the human.
- No insulting or harassing other members. That includes name calling.
- Respect differences of opinion. Civil discussion/debate is fine, arguing is not. Criticise ideas, not people.
- Keep unrequested/unstructured critique to a minimum.
- Remember we have all chosen to be here voluntarily. Respect the spent time and effort people have spent creating posts in order to share something they find amusing with you.
- Swearing in general is fine, swearing to insult another commenter isn’t.
- No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia or any other type of bigotry.
- No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
The constitution is about 19 pages long. Here's a pdf
Did you read the entire thing?
I doubt that, but OK.
Yeps. One of my electives at uni was the history of the US constitution law for non-legal majors. I had to take 2 history classes for my degree and I thought it would be an interesting subject. Not only read it also had it read to me by my professor. He was a retired JAG officer and militant ACLU supporter.
I guess we need to know what people consider long. The full document is longer than the Declaration of Independence , which I know a lot better. I can’t remember having to read the Constitution in school, just the preamble and a couple of amendments. This doesn’t excuse my ignorance though. Thanks for providing the whole document.
Compared to most constitutions on the planet, it’s considered a short one.
I think compared to most governments on the planet, the US Federal government was supposed to be a tiny one. That's why it's not supposed to be allowed to do virtually anything it does today.
The workarounds to grow the federal government are kinda like you're stuck on a desert island and all you have is coconuts, so you build your house out of coconuts, you build your car with coconuts, you build a wife with coconuts, you build your kids with coconuts, a whole society built out of coconuts. It's like "This is impressive, but what the hell made you think this was the intent of the assignment?
I vote we skip any more discussion about how we’re going to be using coconuts on this island.
A coconut wife sounds amazing, especially if they were to start buzzing with life one day.
There are some reddit stories that I just don't need to be reminded of... 🤢
I just looked it up and it seems that the German constitution has more than 350 pages. But the first 20 sections contain the most important and almost unchangeable foundaries.
To be fair, Germany has a loooong and mega history, and they'd have been thorough out of necessity. No idea what's in there, but I assume there's a lot that addresses all the parts and histories of Germany before it was unified. It would've been a nightmare drafting that thing up initially.
You can read a translation if you like:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/
My five year old’s Fancy Nancy books are more than 19 pages.
Less words per page though, and less confusing language.
True, we need to rewrite the US constitution as a kids picture book with appropriate language so that the 54% of American adults with a reading comprehension below 6th grade can keep up.
That's a startling number. It goes far towards explaining some of the responses my comments get.
That… answers a lot of questions
We couldn't possibly agree on how the terminology in the original translates into plain language. We can't agree on what it means in the first place, even the most obvious plainly worded things.
Not that I'm trying to refute this in any way, but why include 16 and 17 year olds in adults?
For a book, remarkably short.
For a news article, quite long.
For a legal document, who reads those anyways?
Compare it to the constitution of the Soviet Union.
19 pages isn't really a lot, , but this guy doesn't strike me as much of a reader.
I'm a reader. I've never read the constitution though, fiction only. I also think it's too old, can't get into the classics as much as more contemporary lit.
Reading it and going over the contents is also a part of standard US high school curriculum. It's a graduation requirement. At least, it was when I graduated high school in California in the 90's.
Proof @ link:
https://www.cde.ca.gov/pd/ca/hs/hssconstitutionday.asp#:~:text=California%20high%20school%20students%20are,Government%20course%20include%20the%20Constitution.
It's 17 pages.... Not that crazy, really. https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf
We did similar in primary school in Australia. A big portion of the seventh grade is learning about the Westminster style of government, state and federal roles, and the courts. We even did our own class parliament session each week to debate and try pass different levels of law. We were able to get Grade 7s a specific hang out area at the school cafe passed based on our lower house (classroom) sittings, then our senate (Prefects and the primary school principal) passing it.
Constitution or clinical studies, MAGA people will take a devout view, that they read online at MAGA.
Damn, that is pretty short. I'm not American but I had always just automatically assumed it would have to be hundreds of pages. No clue why, of course, just some subconscious bias.