THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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My children have eaten fruit while we shop. No one beat them to a pulp over it. This is despicable
Were they brownish though?
They were not, no
Ding ding ding
I have to play devil's advocate: How, unless they're watching you constantly on a monitor, would they know your kid ate the fruit while walking around? In theory couldn't your kid eat the fruit and leave the peel on a shelf somewhere before going to checkout?
I'm mainly saying this because I frown every time I see something that wasn't paid for being eaten in the store, and as a former retail worker I've found empty banana peels on shelves. I'm not saying that happened in this case but going "trust me bruh" that everyone eating fruit in the store is going to pay for it is asking for shrinkage.
You really HAVE to play the devils advocate? Are you sure? Are you sure you HAVE to?
Because no one found this insightful or valuable. No one. So you HAVE to? Really?
And that's worth beating a guy over? Because that's what this story is about.
That may be what the story is about, but my point was still made regarding food being eaten before being paid for.
I did not advocate for the beating of the man, I simply said eating something before it's paid for is improper (IMO) and I could see why someone could think they didn't pay.
Once proof was provided that should have been the end of it, so I agree with the outrage expressed in the article about the treatment of the man.
Remember, if you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.
Honestly my point wasn't really saying you think a dude should be beaten over a banana. I don't think there are a lot of folks who actually believe that, I was just talking shit for effect. I do think your original comment was missing the forest for the trees.
Have you ever been to a restaurant? You eat before you pay.
Completely different than going to a grocery store. Not even comparable.
Most grocery stores in my area have a basket of free fruit for kids to eat while in the store. Because why not, when a banana costs all of 20 cents. It is absolutely crazy to physically assault someone over that amount.
Never said the man should be beaten.
You frown over this? Who gives a shit about shrink. The people who own these supermarkets can afford to give a bushel of bananas to every customer for every visit and still be swimming in money.
Devil's advocacy has its place, this isn't one of them. A man has been hospitalized over a fucking banana.
Just my opinion, you don't have to like it
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You know what they say, opinions are like butts..
Good, because no one does
Honestly I didn't get father than "devil's advocate." Fuck you.
I frown at single pieces of fruit being eaten before being paid for and I firmly believe people who eat them should be beaten severely!
Dude, do you even hear yourself right now?
Never said I condone beating the guy.
Unless you 100% for sure know a person intentionally left a mess of used merchandise, then there's no need to escalate. Even then, you simply call them out for it and ban them from the store.
The lady was clearly unhinged and was taking it out on this guy.