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So, I'm not French or European, so this is an outsider's standpoint.
But I've read past material in the French media claiming that Macron has historically strongly favored personal discussions between himself and foreign leaders, having processes that cut out the French foreign office and relied upon his personal interactions. I believe the phrase they used was "hyperpersonalized" diplomacy.
kagis
The article I was thinking of was much longer and focused specifically on France, but here's another talking about it and using the same "hyperpersonalized" term, so I don't think that it's just that author:
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-russia-diplomacy-france-documentary/
This is talking about a French documentary, which might have driven the article that I read as well.
I don't know whether that's a fair, objective assessment. I don't have the familiarity with French political currents to make that call. But it at least sounds plausible to me.
The problem is that Macron's time leading France has seen several major foreign policy fiascos for France, and a number of them center around what looks to me like Macron getting an incorrect assessment via that personal interaction route.
Macron personally interacted with Australian leadership surrounding the submarine deal, and was confident that French defense contractors had it in the bag. Then, AUKUS went through, and Macron in particular was blindsided.
Macron aimed at personal phone calls with Putin in the runup to the invasion of Ukraine, and was convinced that Russia would not involve Ukraine and that he could personally influence Putin.
I think that there was one other big issue, something where he was negotiating with another EU member, but I can't recall what it was now.
There have also been a few articles that have made it to the English-language press on smaller issues that have made me a little suspicious that Macron hasn't, perhaps, been as effective as someone in the diplomatic corps might have been.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/20/europe/macron-cyclone-mayotte-french-swear/index.html
Like, Macron might be perfectly right on the financial side, but I am deeply suspicious that that was not the best statement to make, regardless.
Then I remember some point where he was calling Italy a "rogue member of the EU" or similar. At this point, there was Article 7 activity against both Poland and Hungary, and the UK was in the Brexit process. I remember commenting something like "whatever the merit or lack thereof of attacking Italy, you need to end some of the conflicts in the EU. With this, you have one of the six largest members leaving the EU, you're trying to strip voting rights from another, and you're calling another a 'rogue member'. You cannot have this many fights at once. You will paralyze the EU."
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macrons-italian-snubs/
Now, okay. I have Trump running my country, and I think that Trump is considerably more objectionable than Macron as a diplomat. But I am hesitant to say that Macron doing one-on-ones or personally-driving diplomacy with foreign leaders has been all that great for France.
You don't need to narrate the creative process behind your commentary.
*searches*
Ah, yes. That is indeed very odd behavior.
This person is a shill for Kagi, it's like every one of their comments.
That has certainly been my impression as well. I usually end up asking ChatGPT to attempt a summary of what they're trying to communicate.
Good idea, i submitted that to an LLM with context. Here is the result :
It's hyperpersonalized /s
Macron, like Trump, is a narcissist. It doesn't manifest quite as badly as Trump's narcissism but you can see it everywhere - look at how he interacts with the French parliament or how he acts when French people disagree with him.
It's part of why they clash so badly in public.
I would hardly use AUKUS as an example of Macron's failing, rather an example of Australia sucking US cock for no reason. The AUKUS deal even blindsided most of Australia's own defence force. It is a fucking stupid deal, agreed to by some fucking stupid people and signed by Australia's then fucking stupid Prime Minister. The whole thing stinks of back room shinanigans, will most likely result in zero submarines ever, but unfortunately no diplomacy on France's behalf would have made any difference to the end result.