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We are living through the greatest constitutional crisis of our lifetimes -- maybe since the Civil War. The US has never seen anything happen like this domestically. We are rapidly moving toward the dissolution of the US and civil war.
If the courts do not prosecute Trump and Elon Musk, which is highly likely, the assault on EVERY federal service and source of funds will continue. "Throwing it back to the states" will cause the states to contract -- without confidence in any federal assistance or regulations, states will need to figure it out themselves -- and if they start seeing the federal government as something they need to protect their citizens from...well, why would they remain a part of that federal government? If the US government is completely unreliable due to the massive brain, experience, and regulation drain, what reason do states have to remain a part of that? Especially when the feds want to restrict speech and expression in the way they do.
And if the courts somehow slap down Elon and Trump and they are removed? Then we've got violence from the J6ers and likely more.
We very well might be witnessing the end of the US, as I see it. But maybe someone can offer some counterpoints
The end of the US was on January 20th. We're just witnessing its death throes.
We're dealing with this because the union fucked up and didn't see reconstruction thru after the civil war.
We had fucking military bases named after confederate generals. That's enough to tell you the identity of this country.
When the next Civil War happens, we don't need any Biden fucking losers olive branching the losers. We've historically done this and what has happened so far? Next time the US beats the confederates, erase their fucking shitty culture of racism and hate.
I think the message is pretty clear that the US experiment has run its course and the country just needs to split in multiple parts instead of trying to make things work between people with vastly different interests under the same umbrella.
Let the red States become the third world country they want to be.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying for years now. But is there ever any kind of serious talk about secession anywhere by anyone particularly our democratic political “leaders”?
No, it's not bad enough yet. There is nothing in the constitution allowing for secession. Blue state's economies will have to be destroyed before they band together and decide enough is enough.
There needs to be a critical mass, no state is going to do it on their own because the military could just roll over them.
We know all the money is being siphoned off to Trump and his goons, and he's trying to destroy every agency, particularly the watchdog agencies, which is exactly what happened in Rome that lead to the fall of the empire. If no one is paying anyone to keep track of legal obligations you no longer HAVE legal obligations.
I think you overestimate the proactivity of the average American. I mean this is the road the US is going down on, but it'll take them a while before things get that bad.
It's only been like two weeks and shit is already off the rails. This is moving at an alarming clip.
Could you expound on that? I don't think average Americans will be able to stop what's going on because we are too busy with work, families, and entertainment. And if, by chance, we are paying attention to the news, the 24 hour cycle and social media algorithms put some new thing in front of our faces before we have the time to process what we just saw.
Do you mean states aren't going to be that proactive, so they won't break away?
I mean if the current style of government continue for like 20 years you'll start seeing breakaways, but definitely nothing within these four years unless something really dramatic happens. The Democrat-led states are at least as docile as the people living in them, so I can't imagine them leading a breakaway movement. I mean can you imagine someone like Newsom saying "hell yeah let's secede"?
Okay yeah I get you now.
I think you have a good point but I do think it could be sooner. If Newsom thinks Trump may cause more damage to to his state than aid (I'm thinking about lack of disaster relief, draining of reservoirs, sending military in to deal with protests, raiding schools for illegal immigrants, stifling scientific research, going after "woke" speech), what choice will he have ?
Already, schools in Massachusetts are informing school nurses not to comply with ICE if they come through. What happens when Trump says that Massachusetts is defying the law and goes after leadership there? Will Massachusetts bend?
But I think ultimately you may be right, I suppose it might depend on how antagonistic Trump is toward blue states.