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Every time I see someone write "sorry for my bad english" their writing is several times better than many of the native speakers I interact with on a daily basis.
my ukrainian coworker always apologizes for her bad english. meanwhile she can, and does, write poetry in all four languages she speaks
Probably a habit from when they really did have bad English, but they learned, and surpassed the average american at this point.
i think it has more to do with dialect than anything. i speak appalachian dialect so sometimes i'll use an archaic word. the irony is she usually figures it out faster than most other english speakers since our archaics are largely eastern european in origin, but to her in that moment it feels like "oh, i don't know what this native english speaker is saying, i guess english is still a skill i'm working on"
i always am like "oh no, i talk funny" but it's been happening more as she's become closer friends with me and my fiance and we all talk on metaphysics and shit
I'm no native English speaker as well, and that's how I often think as well. In my mother tongue I know so many words, their meaning and their sound. In English, however, I'm still learning new words now and then, and it opens my world to the language every time. This is true for dialects as well.
Learning a new language is quite hard in the beginning, but it's so satisfying and world opening when you start to actually use a new language.
edit Ohh, and sorry for my bad English ;)
"I proffer my contrition for any infelicities in my English articulation, as my proclivity for linguistic precision may yet be inchoate."
what was that about felix and anchovies ?
No, they said it was Felicity in chocolate
Sheesh!
When I TA-ed, I swear 75% of the non-Americans students wrote almost perfect papers whereas less than 25% of Americans couldn’t even write and less than 5% had comparably good essays. Honestly depressing.
American culture is one of the few I've found to be actively "anti-knowledge". It's not just their educational system being bad, it's a genuine cultural tendency of not just dismissing experts, but straight out refusing to learn and snobbing those who do.
We have somewhat similar in Canada, not as dreadful as USA, but still what you would say anti-knowledge.
I saw this in gradeschool, kids actually trying to learn and better themselves were bullies and labeled brown-noser losers.
At University the Uni newspaper editors would dumb down articles purposely, since they thought the general reader may not understand the topic fully ( which defeats the purpose of knowledge articles ).
And random times. Some guy talking about making his tent lines taut, and the rest laughing saying you mean tight. And him saying , no tension on a rope or cable is taut, tight is for fastening bolts, etc. Then everyone being "yeah whatever idiot"
And overseas teenage relatives visiting , knowing 4-5 languages, and saying "Sorry, my English is not the best" and me trying to explain it is way better than half of the coworkers I have who only speak English. And then trying to explain to a teenager that these full grown adults have no desire to learn correct terms, grammar, spelling or punctuation.
Trying to read my wife's family's facebook posts is like a course in stroke cryptography.
Anti-intellectualism seems to be resurgent in recent years. Its the worst I've seen since the Bush 2 era, and it's all pevasive.
All they need is a some daddy who confirms their biases.
When I worked at a bank we had a loan officer who wrote in such broken English that the email filter actually started flagging and blocking his outbound emails as a suspected compromise. Worst part is he was handling multimillion dollar agribusiness loans. Second worst part is he's as white American as they come, having had family farming not 20 miles away for generations, so it's not even like he can claim a non-local dialect or second language challenges
I feel attacked
Haha thanks, My English is self thought, so maybe that's why I'm still afraid of making mistakes (also relied on keyboard auto correct)
*taught :-) No worries, your intent is coming across clearly.
That was prolly auto correct fail tbh