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'Went nuclear': State Department reportedly 'shocked' as Rubio freezes foreign aid
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No, no you weren't. You were explicitly told that allowing and encouraging genocide would end the Harris/Biden campaign; and that America actively participating in genocide would cause the genocide to spread domestically; and that Dems refusing to differentiate themselves on this topic would disincentive voters.
You were not told, at any point, genocide would end with a trump admin. I get liberals tend to have that thing all right wingers have with their memory where you rewrite history to match your current beliefs, but you gotta try harder when you're not in a right wing echo chamber like reddit or x.
So the leftists got mad and made the genocide worse?
It is totally a better choice then having liberals in power and working on getting better choices in the next election.
Tankies, not leftists.
Fuck them, I know several leftists and none of us want tankies among our ranks. I've got friends who are straight up pro abolishment of private property and THEY don't even support authoritarians like Putin or Trump.
The important thing isn't stopping genocide. The important thing is that leftists feel good about themselves.
The genocide is not worse. That's not a thing. Genocide is genocide, it grows until it is stopped by force and the parties response are removed from power. Was Harris going to resign and start reforming the US to ensure foreign aid can never go to Israel as along as it's a fascist ethnostate? No, her promise was to continue the genocide.
I'm sorry you'll now have to do something. I'm sorry you'll now suffer the same way you condemned others to suffer. I'm sorry you didn't do more and accepted genocide as a necessary evil like all Nazi civilians that disagreed with Hitler did.
Maybe, just maybe, it's be easier to admit you're wrong and start fighting for the first time in your life.
Yeah, that's not true. Genocides can and do get ramped up and down.
Biden did not send troops to Israel, nor did he decide to "actively aid" the genocide. Removed for misinformation.
No mention in the Amnesty statement of "us troops". Again, removed for misinfornation.
Where the fuck did I talk about US troops?
Beside, wouldn't be the first time, you keep removing what's inconvenient for your denialist agenda.
The comment I removed prior to your reply specifically talked about US troops being sent to Israel, which I noted in my reply as misinfornation.
Your reply of, essentially, "Nuh uh!!" did nothing to address that statement.
If you don't know what we're talking about, you probably should stay out of it.
"If you don't know what we're talking about, you probably should stay out of it."
I get it, you're feeling guilty for your decisions that led to Trump winning and further escalating the genocide, but cope in reality.
Admit I’m wrong and start working with the people who brought Trump into power to keep their hands clean?
Sounds as effective as praying.
Well it's that or join in on the genocide, or be a victim. Those are your three choices. We know what liberals chose to do in Nazi Germany after appointing Hitler against the evil socialists and communists; so I'm not too shocked you would join with Trump instead of admitting your mistakes and start actually working against him.
I’m a firm believer in the legalization of all drugs knowing full well that it will cause people’s death and/or their descent into addiction, sex trafficking or slavery.
Does that make it the bad option?
The difference, which I hope you know, is drugs don't have legs or arms.
Are the people who use them slugs?
Do you not care about them?
Jaqing off to unrelated topics is an interesting strategy. I wonder what other group is famous for doing so, Mr Shapiro.
You literally responded to my comment already you just haven’t answered it.
Why not?
America is still participating. Who's the president ?
Reread, try again.
I'll admit my leading question was facetious.
My point is that an action was taken against democrats on the topic of Gaza, and yet, the crisis and genocide continue. It was obvious this would happen if trump won, plus a slew of other impacts on at risk people around the world, beyond the admittedly unsatisfactory status quo of the Biden admin. So what societal good was done by not helping keep trump out?
There are two possibilities, either we cost her the election or we didn't. If we didn't, we worked towards building an actual alternative party at zero cost. If we did, then it's even better, because we demonstrated that our support is needed to win.
The Democratic party, particularly the version of it that you believe in enabling, is both fundamentally unacceptable and doomed to failure. The Democrats have chosen to be the party of the status quo, and the status quo is declining and will continue to decline and unless and until they embrace change and an actual vision of the future, they are going to fail. Even if it were possible to "buy time," that's not a valid goal, because time is against us, every minute that passes is a minute where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the environment is damaged, and the right grows stronger. Only a fundamental shift in the political sphere and the proliferation of leftist narratives and explanations for the decline can possibly stem the fascist tide.
The Democrats can either change into what they need to be or they can be replaced, these are the only two paths forward where I don't end up in a camp. Voting third party furthers both of those goals, while unconditional loyalty to the party only encourages them to continue on a doomed path.
You hope to bring about a new party with zero plan candidate or substance and in turn got additional people hurt.
Accelerationists are dreaming of a survivor fantasy where their perceived position or privledge will keep them or their family alive through the downfall, transition, and reconstruction of what's next. Who's to say what's next isn't 10x worse? You can't.
Not caring about buying time is a privileged position, one that for example afghan refugees who had flights to the US this week and beyond sure would like a bit more of. Oh, whoops, the democrats needed to be taught a lesson so I guess it's ok that they are abandoned now.
It's all good and well to talk theory, but in real life harm reduction is actually helping people.
I'm trans in a red state so I'm certainly not in a privileged position. I still voted PSL. Your "harm reduction" wasn't reducing harm for Gaza and I couldn't vote for genocide to save my own ass. It was about being able to live with myself after the election.
Oh and would you look at that, there's aid trucks entering Gaza and the bombing has stopped. I'm feeling pretty okay with my vote.
I'm not an accelerationist, nor do I have any such fantasies. In the face of continued decline, "what's next" is virtually guaranteed to be 10x worse, that's why the decline must be stopped not continued. If I were an accelerationist, I would be more than happy with either candidate, since both ensured continued decline.
Is that so? Would you consider all the Palestinians who didn't vote for her to be "privileged?"
Obviously this is bullshit, it's just weaponizing progressive language to try to get people to fall in line behind a doomed cause rather than looking at solutions that actually have the potential to improve the lives of marginalized people and stop the rise of the far-right. You might as well say, "It's privileged to support striking workers because they're the ones well off enough to go without pay for a period, have you considered that scabs have families to feed?" Nonsense.
I don't think this way because I'm "privileged," but rather the opposite, because I'm pretty fucking close to the top of the fascists' list so it's easier for me to see that they must be stopped rather than allowing minorities to be sacrificed one by one, "First they came for" style, like the Democrats offer.
As discussed above, conditions will only worsen in Palestine.
Not taking the most realistic action to avoid another trump term is by far the greatest harm.
Suggesting the Dems should be torn down in 2023 or 2024, without a meaningful, competitive replacement is garbage.
People can't hold 2 thoughts at once apparently: "A is bad, but B is worse".
Of course a striking worker isn't privledge, they are standing on the line and could easily be retaliated against.
You seem to have lost the plot, if anything, this just supports the point I was making. Palestinian voters refused to vote for Harris despite indications that things would get worse under Trump. Yet your explanation for this behavior is that they must all be "Privileged," an argument you apparently forgot you were making. How can you possibly argue that their position is privileged when your best case scenario for them is indefinitely continuing genocide? It's absurd.
And how exactly is a meaningful, competitive replacement supposed to spring into existence if everyone just falls behind them no matter what in every election until the end of time?
Yeah, that's the point. It's a nonsense claim dressed up in progressive language, just like your nonsense claim that Palestinians voted the way they did because of privilege.
The societal good of destroying the US, since it's clear the empire can no longer function without genocide. At that point, like all fascist empires, it needs to be destroyed.
The lesser evil option you're advocating for was committed to genocide. There is no world where that's the lesser evil human beings can accept
They enabled turbo genocide. The position is bankrupt as it assumes inaction is faultless and clean.
There is no such thing as 'turbo genocide'. Until you learn that you will be continually surprised by what happens next.
And whoever mentioned inaction? You people just hate any action we take that isn't voting for the same party forever regardless of what they do.
Of course there is. A genocide could be worsened by increasing the rate or killing, the tools available, the loss of global consequences, etc. "Turbo" is used as an offhand way to indicate faster/more/worse.
Conversely slowing a genocide allows more time for people to escape, more time for global interventions, peace talks, etc.
There will be condos on their homes now
It’s funny to me, because these people criticizing us/me for “letting Trump win” are actually the ones sliding to the right. I guess liberals just aren’t used to believing in anything, so they see conviction as a failing because it’s too extreme for them, to stand for anything besides “nO tRuMp”. lol
Us liberals see that misplaced conviction is a bad thing and it’s an opportunity for education.