Most of the founding fathers wanted to abolish slavery, but they also knew they needed the economic power of the southern states' cotton trade and that they would be virulently against ending slavery. They kicked that can down the road, but laid the groundwork that eventually led us there for the most part.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Most of the founding father fucking owned slaves.

Elon Musk writes about rights and freedoms. Thomas Jefferson wrote about right and freedoms. Elon Musk is shit to the workers he gets his wealth from. Thomas Jefferson got his wealth from slaves. Elon Musk sexually harasses his female workers. Thomas Jefferson impregnated his slaves.

Elon Musk and the other billionaires are being 100% consistent with the Founding Fathers you idolize. This is why arguing that these billionaire assholes aren't "in keeping with the Founding Fathers" is so weak. Deep down we all know that these guys are acting exactly like the Founding Fathers. It really makes sense for so many people to think Trump, Musk and all the other scumbags are like the Founding Fathers because they actually are. They just aren't like the mythologized Founding Fathers that you believe in. But the Founding Fathers you believe in never existed.

The actual people were just a group of rich slave masters that wanted to take away more land from indigenous people. They wrote some nice words about rights and freedoms to fool people into being willing to die to serve their interests. Which is exactly what MAGA is all about isn't it? Rich people talking big about rights and freedoms to get people to support them having more power.

[–] JcbAzPx 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You may want to freshen up on your history. Ending slavery was a huge debate right at the beginning. They chose poorly in the end, but not for no reason.

Also, there's a reason the only person you could come up with for your silly comparison was Thomas Jefferson. He was probably one of the most flawed of the founding fathers. Though he's still a significantly better man than Musk on the whole.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

George Washington also owned slaves. As did most of your Founding Fathers: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/10/arlen-parsa/evidence-shows-most-47-men-famous-declaration-inde/

The founding principles of the USA were around rights and freedoms for land owning white men only. Everyone else were meant to serve them. Which is more consistent with the principles of Elon Musk than with your principles.

Though he’s still a significantly better man than Musk on the whole.

Thomas Jefferson literally owned slaves. Elon Musk offered to buy a horse for an employee to get a handy, while Jefferson raped his slaves. Jefferson was way more "flawed" than Elon Musk is.

[–] JcbAzPx 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess the world can be whatever you want when you just make up reality in your head.

Good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So you don't believe that George Washington owned slaves? Talk about making up a reality in your head.

You were indoctrinated from a young age to believe in the myth of the Founding Fathers. Everything you heard in school, all the the monuments, the faces printed on your currency all reinforce your beliefs. So I understand that it's not easy to accept that these guys were the Elon Musks and Donald Trumps of their times. But it's not some dead slave masters that guarantee your rights. This mentality results in apathy and taking rights for granted which made the US susceptible to fascism. Mythologizing a false past leads to people wanting to go back to that false past.

I wouldn't go so far as to say MAGA is about wanting to go back to full on slavery, but there is a feeling there that people of certain ethnicities should "know their place". And people certainly "knew their place" when the Founding Fathers were running things didn't they?

[–] JcbAzPx 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You sir, are entirely divorced from reality. It would be best for you to stop replying to the straw man you made up in your head and reconsider this entire exchange.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Which of these isn't real?

Most of Founding Fathers owned slaves
Elon Musk treats workers like shit
The Founding Fathers wrote pretty words about rights and freedoms
Elon Musk writes words about right and freedoms.
Founding Fathers were wealthy because of the work done by slaves
Elon Musk is wealthy because of work done by oppressed people under apartheid

You keep saying I'm divorced from reality, but which of these things do you think isn't real?