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[–] WoodScientist 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

I dunno, I think the Dems are going to have more success picking very specific and important battles.

If things go as bad as they might, the Dems will need to appeal to more than just the converted, they’ll have to win over some percentage of those who chose not to vote or voted trump.

Why? Going full bore works for Republicans. Democrats need to adopt the Republican strategy of simply voting no on literally every single committee hearing, bill, and budget proposal for the next four years.

The voters clearly don't give a shit about analyzing actual policy. They don't consider who is responsible for the world around them. They simply ask themselves if they were better off four years ago and act accordingly.

At this point, I don't think Democrats should even vote for debt limit increases. Republicans have complete control of government. They have the votes to pass a debt increase. If they can't whip up their own votes; that's their problem.

I am fucking tired of Democrats bailing out Republicans. Democrats should simply refuse to engage at all while Trump is in office. Let Republicans try to endlessly gain a few Democratic compromise votes, only to refuse to support a bill at the last minute.

This milquetoast "choose your battles" crap clearly doesn't work. What does work is sticking to your guns and refusing to help the other side at all. So I say Democrats stand by and let Republicans do what they want without a single Democratic vote. Whatever they propose is going to be a disaster anyway. Let them have the entire blame.

Bipartisanship is actually a huge trap in the current regime. Republicans want to propose bills that are seriously damaging to society, human rights, and the economy. A few Democrats crossing the aisle to vote with them won't change the fact that a profoundly wicked bill is still profoundly wicked. But it will mean that instead of being purely a Republican bill, it is now "bipartisan."

No. Leave the Republicans to their demons. Refuse to vote in favor of a single bill. Force Republicans to own it. If this results in a default on the national debt? So be it. It's time to give the electorate what they voted for. If digging in our heels saves democracy at the expense of the economy, that is a bargain I will take every time.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Going full bore works for Republicans. Democrats need to adopt the Republican strategy

This is how I know you don't grasp the fundamental difference between progressive and conservative voters. "Progressives need to fall in love, conservatives need to fall in line."

[–] IzzyJ 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Sounds like they shouldve sbowed up, maybe if their abstinence had consequences theyd be good little party line voters next time

[–] go_go_gadget -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Show up for what? A strike blocking, genocide supporting administration led by a egotistical geriatric who thought they were fit to run again?

What is with this bizarre idea that voters need to curry favor with politicians? That's not how democracy works.

[–] IzzyJ 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My "bizarre idea" is that stamping magats into the dirt should be the overriding priority

[–] go_go_gadget 1 points 2 weeks ago

How about billionaires?

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