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[+] Doomsider -25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't know. I do know fluoride works topically. I also know there is no mechanism in the body to return fluoride to the teeth topically after it is swallowed.

So drinking fluoride is pointless.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don’t know.

You don't need to know. Statistically dental health increases when municipal water is fluoridated.

[–] ysjet 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So you don't know, but all the data scientists and dentists, who DO know and are subject matter experts, who say it's a good idea are to be ignored, because of your sheer ignorance?

[+] Doomsider -14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nobody refutes anything I am saying. I think you are confused.

[–] ysjet 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We've refuted it, scientific testing has refuted it, you're just plugging your ears and refusing to listen because you don't like the answers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

And because random social media people spout conspiracies about it and clearly they're more educated on the topic than actual trained professionals.

[+] Doomsider -11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I said fluoride works topically. Do you deny this? Please provide evidence to the contrary.

I said there is no way for the body to return fluoride where it is needed. Swallowing fluoride is pointless and unnecessary at best. At worst it is probably not a good idea to have fluoride in your water if you have kidney disease.

Don't bother actually, we already no you know literally nothing about this topic.

[–] brucethemoose 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You are spouting assertions about what sounds right while ignoring bodies of scientific evidence contradicting your viewpoint. Just because Lemmy users are unwilling to spend 20-30 minutes digging through arixv to refute you doesn't make you right.

You don't want to go and look up and analyze evidence that floride in the water supply is beneficial, you want to just assert the hypothesis you've formed as likely truth without evidence and research into related work, and I can confidently say this because experts who spend their lives reading papers and writing them on this very topic are qualified to make these assertions.

...This "sounds right" line of thinking has been the bane of civilization for eons. You aren't breaking up some scientific fallacy like the church believing the Earth is the center of the universe, you are perpetuating one.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In -2 points 6 days ago

while ignoring bodies of scientific evidence contradicting your viewpoint

They have viewpoints on topical application of fluoride and lack of effect on teeth after swallowing.

What bodies of evidence are contradicting these opinions?

[+] Doomsider -6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

https://www.cochrane.org/news/water-fluoridation-less-effective-now-past

The latest studies indicate fluoride in the drinking supply has little effect compared compared to fluoride toothpaste. So you once it is available the need for adding fluoride to water goes away. This has been supported by numerous studies comparing countries that do not add fluoride to their water.

I studied this in a 400 level water course at UNI. I got to visit wastewater and water plants and speak with operators. I was surprised to learn the fluoride was not naturally occuring in the water supply as it is advertised on the EPA website.

Then I found an article about a small town in Canada that ran out of fluoride because of a downturn in fertilizer manufacturing. I thought to myself what does fertilizer manufacturing have to do with fluoride.

That is when I discovered the truth that a toxic by-product of fertilizer manufacturing is sold to municipalities to be disposed of in our water supply. It is not pharmeucutical fluoride because that would cost too much. Oh and it is contaminated with nasty stuff like heavy metals.

I then did a bunch of research comparing rates of tooth decay in different areas of the world. It really did not appear to make a difference but actual dental care and fluoride toothpaste did.

My presentation was about a hour and a half where I presented all my research. I got an A on it and everyone was very impressed with what I discovered.

But sure tell me about my own journey when you literally have no fucking clue what you are talking about about.

[–] ysjet 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the most rigorous of scientific studies- claiming you did a paper in school! You got an A, and then everybody clapped!

My man, in less than two hours you've literally went from claiming you don't know how fluoride works on teeth to claiming you did rigorous research on it in uni.

At least keep your bullshit lies straight for more than two hours.

[–] Doomsider -3 points 6 days ago

Your are so funny I forgot to laugh. You are definitely Darwin award material.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

<.< And before it’s swallowed?