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Meanwhile the newspapers: "FACT CHECK: It is incorrect to associate project 2025 with the Trump campaign" 🙄
Besides fox News and the like, who said that?
The Associated Press did
Saving everyone a click
That's everything they said. Those are quite literally the facts which they can report on: what Trump says.
Sure, but doing a fact check at all is very strongly suggesting that the person making the claim is lying in a way that would be materially significant.
It just seems wrong to report that well technically, the candidate himself didn't say those exact words (while ignoring that he communicates like a mafia don), and fit it in amongst other fact-checks where the candidate is literally libelling an entire community with things that are absolutely bare-faced lies with very very racist underpinnings?
You seem confused. Their reporting here was that trump claimed not to be associated with the document, but in reality is. Maybe you don't like their wording?
Nope. Not what you're saying it is. They call out its origin even.
They also briefly mention what he claims. That is in no way corroborating it. They are simply trying to avoid seeming biased. The other time "2025" appears in that page, it's a quote from Harris about how dangerous it is.
This is normal and decent journalism.
Well that's the article my boss used to "prove" to me that trump wasn't associated with it. It'd be nice if honest reporting wasn't immediately cast out as being leftist.
He read the sentence he wanted, essentially summarizing Trump's claim, and ignored everything else. What is AP supposed to do about that kind of idiocy? You could do that with practically any source of information
facts have a left-leaning bias
Just about all of them, FFS.
What you all are really saying is that you want media to be more left leaning. The example people keep citing is AP, but they literally called out that he was associated with the creators of the document. Should they have used the word "lie", well, yes I think so personally, but there is a danger in further appearing biased. I can settle for refuting his claim the way they did despite my preference. This is not some obvious right wing leaning like people ITT seem to think.
Those are some questionable sources.
The Associated Press:
A better start to that would be:
"Trump, a pathological liar, has said he doesn't know about Project 2025"
Unless he was diagnosed as a pathological liar, they should not. Not that he isn't, because he is, but as a news organization they should only provide the facts, quotes, and unbiased contextual information. That is what we should expect from the news. It should not be "left-leaning" or "right-leaning," because they shouldn't tell us what we should think about what they are reporting.
They should report that some of his former (and possibly current, if it's accurate) aids and expected cabinet members wrote, participated, or supported Project 2025. They should report what Trump's response was when asked about it, as well as including the factual context of how many people directly surrounding him that were openly involved (to give the lie to him "not knowing").
We need news to stop giving opinion. Period. They should strive to be as unbiased as possible, including reporting on events based on newsworthy-ness, not trying to be "fair" to the candidates by reporting on both in an equally negative way regardless of the severity of their respective news (e.g. Obama's tan suit vs. Trump's children in cages.)
Then they don't have to use the word "pathological". If they aren't reminding people that the fascist liar is a liar, then they are part of the problem.
I think "habitual liar" would be fair.
I would assume they're also wary to give any opportunities to the serial libel/slander suit filer with a history of decrying "fake news". Especially backed by the DOJ.
The election coverage I saw on AP this week confirms that they are compromised as well. They are dead to me.
This was likely true.
Trump didn’t need to know about it, and (since by all accounts, he’s functionally illiterate) he certainly never read it. Project 2025 is the brainchild of the same groups who chose Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Cavanaugh. Trump likely knew very little about them, too.
Trump was chosen because he’s easy to manipulate and is too incurious to care much about actual governance, so he won’t get in their way. All they need is for him to sign whatever they put in front of him between rounds of golf.
Trump likely didn’t know much about Project 2025 – but that absolutely did not mean it wasn’t the plan all along.
Yikes, they should show how its related to him.
They should also mention that most everything he says is a lie.
What am I missing here? Two sentences telling us his claims isn't the complete failure of journalism y'all seem to be insinuating it is...
Its more of selectively picking what he's said, also not including the previous versions
sause So only including the part where he distanced himself from it is very sketchy.
Those two sentences would be a lot less horrible if they weren't prefaced with "THE FACTS:".
It is a fact that Trump claimed not to know anything about it