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[–] Denalduh 68 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I know they're not done counting everything yet, but as it currently stands..

2020 Biden - 81.3m
2024 Harris - 66.2m

I'm disgusted with our country.

[–] Passerby6497 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've said for years that voter apathy would be the death of this country.

I hate that I was right.

[–] CompostMaterial 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was looking at those numbers too. And if you compare Trump's 24 numbers to 2020, he lost about 4M votes this time. So it's not like the 20M from Biden voted for Trump this time, they just didn't vote.

20 million people are going to be the reason for the death of Democracy.

Assholes.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

20 million PLUS all the Trump voters.

You must not focus solely on non-voters.

  • The people voting for Trump are much more directly responsible.
  • You will need those non-voters in the future, completely alienating them now will not help the cause.
[–] Katana314 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is implying there is anything - any possible combination of words in the history of linguistics - that could ever convince them not to vote for Trump.

I've seen them have their reasoning destroyed in debate, even using gentle wording, even pointing to Trump's own words. They don't change as a result.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

The inability to change, mental laziness and intellectual poverty don't absolve his voters of blame. They are adults and should be treated as such, thus anything else but holding them accountable for their actions is nothing but moral laziness on our part. The people voting for the candidate of "the party of personal responsibility" (what a cruel joke that is) need to take responsibility for their action.

We need to be thrice as angry with the red hatters as with the non-voters.

I know it feels worse to be betrayed by people who voted Biden not that long ago, mostly because we expect them to do better, while we have absolutely no expectations of anything positive from the Trump voters. But who is the bigger problem here? The people who ride the bus no matter where it's going or the people with their foot on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff?

[–] StopTouchingYourPhone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

completely alienating [non-voters] now will not help the cause

So we just keep being nice to the braindead traitors who can't be arsed to get up off the couch and vote so we all don't live in Nazi World? Because they just haven't heard the right argument yet, or they just need a wee bit more cajoling, maybe a cookie next time.

idc if it's existential malaise over the world burning up, or just that they get enough civic participation from their social media Feed. idc about their endless reasons for not showing up (I've heard them all up here in Ontario where less than 1/2 the eligible voters turned up, and they're all nonsense about how it's someone else's fault. They feel no shame about it: they've been thoroughly convinced that they're too good/smart to vote).

You keep on with not alienating the braindead lumps. You'll find them endlessly commentating online, blaming The Woman for Doing It Wrong. Because Kamala didn't personally bring them tendies they decided their country should be governed AGAIN by a White Supremacist Rapist Incontinent Felon who's owned by frothy fundies who want to burn the witch.

Every abstaining vote was a vote for Trump. They just wanted to be able to say Wasn't Me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

This has layers to it.

Morally: Yes, you are absolutely right. Non-voters share part of the blame of electing Donald Trump, they share a part of the moral responsibility and should absolutely be held accountable. Everyone who says "Wasn't me", needs to be told that they are part of the problem.

Hell, telling people that non-voters are culpable was one of my first reactions.

Strategically though it's important that I did not say that they should not be alienated at all, but that I said they should not be completely alienated. Just ask yourself two simple questions:

  • Can we (a broader left and left-leaning coalition) win future elections without them?
  • If we completely alienate them, if we treat them as enemies, will they vote how we need them to, or will they dig in and maybe even turn into the enemies we would prefer them not to be?
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The non-voters had nothing to do with this. They literally did not participate.

Any real democracy would count the non-voters as part of the results. 20M not voting? OK then, any policies that affect everyone can no longer be enacted. No new laws. No new wars. Government can then maintain plumbing and provide public services, that's it.

Why isn't that the case? Why is it not a requirement for people to vote for government to have power?

Democracy...? Sure. Whatever hope you need to feel, friend, see you in the streets I hope.

[–] dejected_warp_core 1 points 2 weeks ago

Why isn’t that the case?

There is no law in the US mandating that people vote. I can only speculate as to how that started, and why that's still the case.

[–] lemmingthelemmers 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

She got beat by a 10 year old vision that didn't manifest the first time he won. The worst candidate in history.

She faced no challenges or adversity during a primary because there wasn't one and therefore had no duty to voters.

Be disgusted by the people who told you SHE was the best choice to beat Trump, because she wasn't. Not by a long shot.

[–] jmsy 17 points 2 weeks ago

she was anointed like Hilary Clinton. Voters dont like that.

Additionally, she and the democratic party didn't tackle or communicate economics, which is always issue #1 no matter what.

[–] waterSticksToMyBalls 7 points 2 weeks ago

Remember what an echo chamber this place is, even bringing that up slightly would get you ratiod or removed by a mod...

[–] Carighan 7 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine >80 million fascists in a single country like the US. Ouff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I don't get how this happened.