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Harris vows at Michigan rally to ‘do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza’
(www.theguardian.com)
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Easy, they refuse to believe her.
After all, if she didn't sow discord by pointlessly undermining the president while an essentially powerless Vice President, she must love genociding brown people even more than Trump does somehow.
I mean like, I would believe her if she rolled out a plan for how the US is going to stop funding Israel? Or a plan for holding the Israeli military accountable? Or maybe I would believe her if she didn't hold a press conference last week gaslighting us that Israel has to right to defend itself?
I agree. I'm just hoping they've made the calculation that remaining ambiguous on Gaza is a better electoral strategy, and once in office she doesn't intend to spit in the faces of her base the way Biden has.
It's her or Trump, and there's zero chance Trump will make things better, so anyone who cares about Gaza and has a realistic outlook on the situation should support Harris.
Progressives should start working on a primary challenge the moment the polls close. Democrats should never have the opportunity to claim a mandate on this issue.
Maybe. I'd prefer we give her a year or two to see how progressive she's going to be. We're forced to work within the Democrat party for now, and if we're seen as a bunch of malcontents, centrist Democrats will see that as an excuse to reach out to more "gettable" moderates and conservatives instead
If she shows some progressive bona fides, she'll have no problem. Without the threat of a progressive challenger, I'm afraid we'll get 4 years of centrists screaming that she's the most progressive president since FDR and expecting everyone to buy it, like they did with Biden. And that's at best. At worst, they'll gleefully announce that moving to the right works, double down on Gaza, and THEN announce that she's the most progressive president since FDR.
As though they have ever tried.
EDIT: Responding to your edit:
Democrats do that in response to the sun rising in the morning.
She had no problem disagreeing with him when he called Republican voters garbage. She had no problem differing from him when she promised to put a Republican in her cabinet.
It's funny how she can move to his right as much as she wants, but never to his left.
Biden calling Trump voters garbage was a gaffe. His own office walked it back. It's way easier to depart from the president on a throwaway line than on a year-long policy that an all-too-large and ignorant chunk of the population still supports.
I'm not satisfied with her public position on Gaza so far, either. But, since the notion that Trump will make anything better is ridiculous, the only plausible course is to get her in office and then pressure the shit out of her.
And in case anyone's thinking it, the idea that Jill Stein successfully spoiling into a Trump victory somehow means he'll take her foreign policy advice is magical thinking.
I just read you are concerned about 3rd party voters spoiling the election. Understandable given the mathematically flawed voting system most states use.
With state level electoral reform, we can get rid of First Past The Post voting and the spoiler effect that comes along with it.
citizens would be free to vote how they wish safe in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against those they don't want in public office.
We could pass this one state at a time. Some states have already replaced FPTP voting, and more are working towards it with referendums.
Given how possible electoral reform is, and your concern with 3rd parties being a spoiler, I invite you to stop by my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state after the election.
I forgot that I need to append "I already voted for Harris" to anything that isn't fawning worship, or Democrats' sanctimonious lecture reflex kicks in.
Problem is it's not believable you voted for Harris after doing nothing but speaking out against her for months now. Guessing you voted for trump just based on your words on lemmy
This is exactly why this discussion is insufferable. You have literally been told how this person voted but you are so convinced by your own bullshit (ie that anyone mad about US support for genocide must, for some god damn reason, support Trump) that you don't even believe it.
I cannot wait for the 6th so that we can have this conversation without it getting sidetracked by overly loyal democrats condescendingly explaining how first past the post works as if we don't know already.
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I didn't read this
It's funny how you can flat out accuse someone of lying about their vote because you simply don't believe them and that is totally fine, but when I pointed out the issues with doing that this is "uncivil" and must be removed.
This person told you how they voted. The only reason you don't believe them is because you have been lied to and you have bought into the lies. People mad about the current line on Gaza are generally not voting Trump, they are just mad at Biden and Harris. Perhaps if you have a zero sum mindset this is difficult to understand but it really is very simple.
Oh it was removed. Good. It had a horrible tone so I skipped it. This one too. It's notable I tagged you months ago as an anti-biden zealot because of your attacks against anyone who isn't trump
Hmm tagging anybody who doesn't agree with you as a "zealot" makes you seem like the zealot.
I hate Trump. Take a look through my comments.
Sorry for the tone. But you are accusing somebody of lying because you insist on painting others as ridiculous caricatures instead of engaging with them in good faith and it pisses me off. It doesn't matter what tone you take doing this, you are the problem.
I am absolutely astounded that I can be falsely called an "anti Biden zealot" and this is not "uncivil" but my initial comment was.
Yeah my opinion and tag is based on a consistent history of seeing you spread hatred of Democrats.
I myself tried to reason with you and so did others. You did not care.
Now you are just lying.
I've been playing with the Lemmy API recently. You just inspired me to build an app I've wanted. A script that will show your interactions with another user. So in cases like this I'll just drop a link proving my point which you either won't respond to or will write thousands of words defending your position from 4 months ago or whatever
Actually sounds cool!
Would be interesting to see it...
And now you're assuming I'm an asshole again? You must see the possibility that you're misremembering something and have completely got my intentions/beliefs wrong?
If you can find me praising Trump or saying vote for him (or not to vote at all) even one time I will admit I'm wrong. But I literally never have and never would.
I hope Harris wins and we never have to listen to him again. And I can't wait to be able to talk about Gaza without this getting in the way.
A day later and no links. I fucking hate people who make up shit about someone they disagree with and then pretend they won.
"I voted for Harris" "Nuh uh, my mental picture says you didn't, that means you're actually a Trump supporting Russian bot."