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I’d advise that no one buy into any of this nonsense. De la Cruz has a mathematically impossible chance to win, and at this point will serve only to siphon votes and spoil the election. Knowingly or not, this is what is happening.
Think about it: Ever wonder why you’re really only hearing about them recently? Where were they four years ago? What have they done to prove they will even do as they say? They have no track record to stand on, but for some reason, these people seem to think they can sneak into an election and have a chance to win on unproven, untested policy with no practical or effective way to make any of it happen?
Make no mistake- there is no good intention from anyone asking you to throw away your vote on these people this late in the game- NONE.
Were it a year or two ago, I could maybe see it. But weeks away from what might be the most important election of our lifetime- to even think to request people not do everything they can to stop a racist rapist traitor to America from forcing our own militarily against us, systematically removing the rights of our LGBTQ+ friends and family, and the rights of women to have body autonomy is as shamelessly in bad faith as one could possibly be.
DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE.
I might be misremembering the electoral values of the states here, but I think the combined value of the states they’re not official write ins or on ballot is only 64.
That leaves 474 electoral votes that psl could get, so they very much could win.
The history of the party is easy to find. They’ve been around for a little while now.
I’d choose a party with no track record over one with a consistent track record of genocidal violence and extrajudicial killings, but luckily psl has a track record of grassroots activism that’s pretty consistent, so I don’t have to take a gamble.
It’s a bit absurd to call opposition to genocide and apartheid unproven, untested policy.
I’m swiftly climbing the ladder of age and my whole life people have been saying “well, you should have been advocating for this or that last year, it’s too late now, this is the most important election of our lifetime!”
The best time to vote (and do groundwork for) psl was last year, the second best time is now!
I agree with the last part though, don’t listen to people peddling tired cliches and misinformation trying to manipulate you into voting one way or the other!
News flash genius…. Most everyone here is opposed to genocide. As has been said before, you’re not part of some fringe grassroots group that figured out that genocide was bad ahead of everyone else.
Stop with that shit. I don’t believe you’re here in any good faith to help anyone in any way.
Most everyone here is also voting for the Democrats, instead of agreeing to vote for a third party who is opposed to genocide
Again… everyone is against genocide. Your bad faith accusations aren’t working on anyone anymore. It’s just… cringy as fuck now.
And so you know- the third party clowns currently running have no viable end game to shut shit down over there. Go ahead and look it up. They say they do- but have no clear answer on how they’d do it that is even remotely viable. But it all looks good to the smug edgelords that think they’re somehow unique because they are against dOiNg gEnoCiDes!
What part of cutting military funding by 90% (Claudia de la Cruz's platform) would fail to stop funding Israel?
You really think she'd have the support of Congress to do such a thing? In a system like America's? That's ridiculous. You should know full well such a thing would never happen even if Cruz were to magically win the presidency.
Talk is cheap, and it's easy for third parties to say they'll make such sweeping changes when they don't have to actually back it up. They can tell you what you want to hear, but at the end of the day it's all talk because such policies will never get past Congress.
They will have a barely above zero chance of successfully doing this. My god you people will believe anything won’t you?
I wonder why they didn’t just say they’re going to end world hunger…. Or cure cancer.
De la Cruz is a nobody that has no idea what there doing and no chance to ever see a position of authority to create let alone enact any policy that would produce meaningful change.
She’s a spoiler. And at this point- I’m beginning to think it’s purposeful.
If most everyone is opposed to genocide then I agree with them and want to help them find parties and candidates that oppose it too, like psl!
What party in opposition to genocide do you support?
I’m not going to stop politely and courteously advocating for the party and candidate I think is appropriate in threads where it’s on topic in a political comm.
It might not be a good idea to accuse people of bad faith when you open up with a sarcastic insult. World is pretty strict about that stuff, it’s like their number one rule.
America is a two party system.
Someone should tell it there’s all these other parties then.
With the way our system is set up, a third party will never win. Especially when 50% of America is still backing Trump. We need a new voting system before anything can change
Even for a losing party, vote tallies are used to determine access to funding, events, media and help to raise public awareness.
We gotta start somewhere.
Or we could just vote third party and convince conservatives to vote third party as well?
Most adults are against throwing away votes on untested, unproven clowns.
I accused you of bad faith because that’s what I think you are. And I think the PSL is hot garbage and that’s why no one is taking them seriously.
Is there an argument I could make from my position that wouldn’t read as bad faith to you?
You’re here trying to garner support for the hopeless psl within weeks of an election, so….
No.
I was trying to garner support for the psl here months before the election too, and years before it in real life organizing.
Just for the sake of completeness, if you can’t see a persons position as having a good faith form, doesn’t that mean you’re the person here in bad faith? If you truly believed there was no earnest true believer doctrinaire communist that was committed to their party of choice because they really thought it was the best use of their and everyone else’s time, wouldn’t you just report me as misinformation or whatever and move on?
I’ve always considered bad faith to be not the person I disagree with but the person who isnt willing to engage with anything I’m saying, to assume that there’s a human being on the other side of the capacitive predictive text thumb pad and that they have reasons behind what they’re saying that are worth listening to.
Not when they’re actively trying to undermine an election.
It’s not clear from your comment, who is actively trying to undermine an election, me or the party for socialism and liberation?
If you support the PSL and are pushing people to waste their votes weeks before an election?
In my opinion? Both of you are.
De la Cruz should have stopped running months ago when it was determined to be mathematically impossible for her to win. That she continues to pull votes from the one person that CAN win is all anyone needs to know about the nature of her purpose.
And yours.
As I’ve said before many times, votes cast are not wasted. They are counted and have an effect even if the candidate loses.
Does the fact that the mathematical impossibility you referenced has been disproven change your assessment that de la Cruz should have dropped out? It would change mine…
Does it seem odd to you that instead of engaging with (or possibly even reading) anything I’ve said, you claim that all a person needs to know is that I and the psl take votes away from your preferred candidate (which is a statement I dispute)?
Do you think there is any place in our electoral system for third parties and their voters or should they all just abstain for fear of undermining the election?
Don’t complain if Trump wins.
I didn’t complain when trump won. I got out and organized. I was so active at that time I was even in government (albeit in a lowly local position). None of that stopped when Biden won and no matter what happens in November it’s not gonna stop.
Right… but somehow you believe that it will all stop if a do-nothing, ineffective, untested nobody like De la Cruz gets elected?
Yeah man. That is ALL anyone needs to know to determine your purpose here.
I’m done with you now. I feel disgusted just having this discussion.
I never said I would stop if de la Cruz wins. A de la Cruz win is part of the possibilities encompassed by the statement “no matter what happens in November”.
It really seems like you’re going out of your way to read my responses in the most negative light possible and just ignoring things I say that go against that reading.
LOL!
Not too disgusted to stop replying derisively without substance I see.
Do you realize that you started this exchange by throwing around accusations of bad faith and are now dismissing my replies to your questions and posting “lol”?
What’s up with that, was it a weird coincidence or what?
Hilarious!
So are you gonna save yourself some disgust and stop replying?