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[–] GreenKnight23 10 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I don't get the ai hate sentiment.

I don't get what's not to get. AI is a heap of bullshit that's piled on top of a decade of cryptobros.

it's not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it's been publicly available.

shit is going to crash and burn like web3.

I've seen people put full on contracts that are behind NDAs through a public content trained AI.

I've seen developers use cuck-pilot for a year and "never" code again... until the PR is sent back over and over and over again and they have to rewrite it.

I've seen the AI news about new chemicals, new science, new _fill-in-the-blank and it all be PR bullshit.

so yeah, I don't believe AI is our savior. can it make some convincing porn? sure. can it do my taxes? probably not.

[–] Vigge93 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You are ignoring ALL of the of the positive applications of AI from several decades of development, and only focusing on the negative aspects of generative AI.

Here is a non-exhaustive list of some applications:

  • In healthcare as a tool for earlier detection and prevention of certain diseases
  • For anomaly detection in intrusion detection system, protecting web servers
  • Disaster relief for identifying the affected areas and aiding in planning the rescue effort
  • Fall detection in e.g. phones and smartwatches that can alert medical services, especially useful for the elderly.
  • Various forecasting applications that can help plan e.g. production to reduce waste. Etc...

There have even been a lot of good applications of generative AI, e.g. in production, especially for construction, where a generative AI can the functionally same product but with less material, while still maintaining the strength. This reduces cost of manufacturing, and also the environmental impact due to the reduced material usage.

Does AI have its problems? Sure. Is generative AI being misused and abused? Definitely. But just because some applications are useless it doesn't mean that the whole field is.

A hammer can be used to murder someone, that does not mean that all hammers are murder weapons.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Imaginary and unproven cases without any apparent "intelligence".

Seriously... Fall detection? It's like 3 lines of code.... Disaster relief? Show me any actual evidence of "AI" being used...

[–] mayo 1 points 2 months ago

These are not imaginary uses cases. Are you generally critical of technology?

[–] renzev 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

When I hear "AI", I think of that thing that proofreads my emails and writes boilerplate code. Just a useful tool among a long list of others. Why would I spend emotional effort hating it? I think people who "hate" AI are just as annoying as the people pushing it as the solution to all our problems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't think anybody hates spell checkers if that's what you consider "AI".

It's more about the grifters pushing this phony "intelligence" as the savior/destroyer of humanity.

[–] GreenKnight23 -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

when I get an email written by AI, it means the person who sent it doesn't deem me worth their time to respond to me themselves.

I get a lot of email that I have to read for work. It used to be about 30 a day that I had to respond to. now that people are using AI, it's at or over 100 a day.

I provide technical consulting and give accurate feedback based on my knowledge and experience on the product I have built over the last decade and a half.

if nobody is reading my email why does it matter if I'm accurate? if generative AI is training on my knowledge and experience where does that leave me in 5 years?

business is built on trust, AI circumvents that trust by replacing the nuances between partners that grow that trust.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Hi there GreenKnight23!

I don't think it's necessarily you personally they find a waste of time... it might be the layers of fluff that most business emails contain. They don't know if you're the sort of person who expects it.

Best Regards,

Explodicle Internet Comment Writer sh.itjust.works

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If I just hand wave all the good things and call them bullshit, AI is nothing more than bad things!

  • Lemmy
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Current "AI's" (LLMs) are only useful for art and non-fact based text. The two things people particularly do not need computers to do for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Llms fucking suck. But that's the worst kind of ai. It's just an autocorrect on steroids. But you know what a good ai is? The one that give an amino acid sequence predicts it's 3d structure. It's mind boggling. We can design personal protein robots with that kind of knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but the reason for all the AI hate is companies pushing LLMs, calling them AIs, and treating them like some miracle that is worth all the energy they consume. If we try to differentiate between LLMs and AI then the AI hate will go away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Llms are a mockery of this tech. They have become so powerful because of the amount of compute we have invested in it. Think if Alpha fold got that much gpu time and de's working how amazing it would be. Heck we need to understand the human genome whose only 1-2% is understood. Apply AI to that instead of an AI that spouts out cheap Shakespeare knockoffs and shitty code.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I complete agree, but the original question was why people hate on AIs so much, and the reason is LLMs

[–] GreenKnight23 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I just hand wave all the bad things and call them amazing, AI is everything but the bad things!

  • ~~cryptobros~~ AI evangelists
[–] Feathercrown 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What do you think AI has to do with crypto, other than that they are both technologies which have entered the mainstream recently and been pushed hard? Like, what do they actually have in common?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People think they're bad /s ;)

[–] Feathercrown 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I think there are some fair reasons, and some... Just ignorant parroted opinions lol

[–] GreenKnight23 -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the crypto scam ended when the AI scam started. AI conveniently uses the same/similar hardware that crypto used before the bubble burst.

that not enough? take a look at this google trends that shows when interest in crypto died AI took off.

Screenshot_20241017-100142_Firefox

so yeah, there's a lot more that connects the two than what you'd like people to believe.

[–] Feathercrown 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hold the phone, I found two things that are even more closely related

The fact that they both use the GPU is mildly interesting, but means nothing beyond conspiracy theories. These events were set in motion decades ago, it's not like AI was invented because Crypto died.

spoiler


Yes, I am aware of the irony of the website I got that chart from now using GenAI everywhere. That doesn't make my point less true though.

[–] Feathercrown 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

it’s not even impressive enough to make a positive world impact in the 2-3 years it’s been publicly available.

It literally just won people two Nobel prizes

[–] drunkpostdisaster 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How does that help the rest of us?

[–] Feathercrown 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It allows us to predict the structure of proteins before we make them. This can speed up research into protein-based medical treatments by astronomical amounts-- drugs which took years to develop through trial and error and/or thousands of hours of computational power can now be predicted beforehand in terms of their structure, which allows us to predict how they interact woth the proteins in our body. It's an incredible breakthrough in the speed of medical research.

[–] iAvicenna 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

with the compute power required for models like alphafold, my guess is it will be at the monopoly of some corporation which will charge exorbitant prices for any drugs it develops through AI. Not a fault of AI itself, just fucking parasitic shareholder pigs which we should have eaten long ago.

[–] Feathercrown 1 points 2 months ago

Damn I hope not but yeah probably :(

[–] drunkpostdisaster 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am talking about them winning the award

[–] Feathercrown 1 points 2 months ago

That's a bad faith question, but I'll answer it anyways. It helps us because it means that we may now use the discoveries that won them the award.

[–] bignate31 -1 points 2 months ago

It's hype like this that breaks the back of the public when "AI doesn't change anything". Don't get me wrong: AlphaFold has done incredible things. We can now create computational models of proteins in a few hours instead of a decade. But the difference between a computational model and the actual thing is like the difference between a piece of cheese and yellow plastic: they both melt nicely but you'd never want one of them in your quesadilla.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Hooray for them. \s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

If AI image generation is so bad why we have so many etsy and patreon artists complaining about it?

If no one would use it because it is so bad why would anyone care that it is trained on their products?

Do you know this joke about MAGA and the Schrodinger's immigrant? They somehow believe that immigrants are both stealing people jobs and lazy and living on wellfare.

AntiAI bros are somehow similar. AI is at the same time stealing artists jobs and completely useless incapable of producing nothing that people would want.