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Absolutely nothing happened June 1989 (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 month ago by Godric to c/lemmyshitpost

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And if something did maybe happen, it's the CIA's fault

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[–] shroomato 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, AES worked

If it worked we'd still have Soviet Union today.

USSR did work. PRC does work as well, and is Socialist, not Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism and Blackshirts and Reds Cuba works, Vietnam works, Laos works too.

We seem to have different definitions of what "working" means. What I've got from the article, which glosses over the inconvenient facts (like how much of China's success can be attributed to western capitalists moving all of their manufacturing to China), is that you can do whatever the fuck you want and still call it socialism. And your fans will believe you, because they don't care to look deeper beneath the label. The party line trumps all.

Mao didn’t “starve a bunch of people,” Mao ended famines in one of the poorest countries in the world

So what is the Great Chinese Famine then? Another inconvenient fact in the sea of inconvenient facts that you chose to close your eyes to? Do you think that lying to yourself and everyone else about historical facts like this one gives you a moral high ground over Nazi sympathizers who deny holocaust?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sorry, can't respond here fully, the moderators here censor comments with facts that don't fit their anti-Marxist narrarive. I never denied that the Great Chinese Famine existed either, I pointed out that famine was common in China pre-Mao and during Mao there was one final famine, because of improvements in agriculture that happened under Mao. Blaming Mao for the immense poverty and brutality of existing conditions pre-Mao that he couldn't possibly fix overnight is silly.

From the article I linked (and you haven't read evidently despite my insistence):

"This argument is just silly as Mao inherited one of the poorest countries in the world. Mao came to power in 1949. Between 1900–1948 the country was engulfed in poverty and famine. Let us simply take a look at few. Here I will simply go off the Wikipedia page List of famines in China and if the body count is within a range I will take the middle of the range.

1907 Great Qing Famine — 25 million dead
1920–1921 North China famine — 0.5 million dead
1928–1930 Chinese famine — 3 million dead
1936–1937 famine — 5 million dead
1942–1943 famine — 2.5 million dead

Total = 36 million dead from famine between 1900–1948

If we divide this number by the amount of years, fourty-nine, we find that about 735,000 people died of famine per year on average before Mao even came to power."