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[–] mlg 22 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I mean doyee?

No one's voting 3rd party because they think they'll win, they're just throwing away a vote for Harris. Their statement is that they have no issue with another 4 years of Trump because their demands aren't being met anyway (cough genocide).

You can argue all day about the rationality and lack of utilitarianism, but it won't change anything.

If MLK were alive, he'd probably vote Democrat because he believes there is a solution in comprise over time, and keeping Republicans out is beneficial to that. (He generally favored the more progressive party).

If Malcolm X were alive, he'd probably be protesting just like the uncommitted group, but choose not to vote if his major demand wasn't met, because his reasoning would be that any promised or hypothetical solutions would not come to fruition. (The Ballot or the Bullet)

Both have valid reasoning, and it can obviously depend on the situation, but it bugs me that 50 years later people still don't understand why people choose to vote a certain way.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

"I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens’ Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection" - MLK

[–] Subverb 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Change won't come overnight (at least without revolution). Like evolution, it requires constant pressure on the system. Changes that are too radical kill the organism.

A long as people think we can jump from Geoge H.W. Bush to Bernie Sanders in one election it's going to continue to fail.

Votw Harris this time. Vote for the person slightly more liberal than her next time, etc. It's a process.

[–] mlg 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's one of my issues though, Harris is less liberal than Obama. It went in the opposite direction.

I advocated that Biden step down and allow a primary. Instead they ran with the VP because the DNC is not interested in actually bringing a more liberal or leftist candidate.

Meanwhile Trump has made Bush look good in comparison, so even if he stops running, an equal or worse candidate will simply take his place, and then we'll be faced with a similar problem.

It would take 20 years to make a grassroots movement work, but if we never start it's never gonna happen.

[–] Subverb 7 points 2 months ago

I'm 60. I would argue that 20 years is not a long time. Keep pushing.

[–] michaelmrose 6 points 2 months ago

Presumably because the US electorate isn't actually leftist or progressive in general and losing swing states wouldn't be balanced by extra votes in safe blue states.

[–] michaelmrose 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US isn't causing the genocide in Gaza and it will if anything be exacerbated if we bring in Trump to support Bebe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US isn’t causing the genocide in Gaza

Peak liberal delusion.

[–] michaelmrose 1 points 2 months ago

In brief the Israelis stole the Palestinians land both historically and literally continuing to this day. The Palestinians have both historically and to this day retaliated with horrific acts of violence often against women and children. Both sides are immoral shitbags who are fighting for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the US.

Arguably at this point Biden/Harris could pull out all the stops and pull all support for Israel in hopes of influencing their decision making. This would probably cause the Democrats to lose the election bringing in the guy who wants to build condos on the rubble and the bones of all the dead Palestinians.

[–] Cryophilia -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Both have valid reasoning

I disagree.