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Former U.S. presidents are authorized a security detail from the Secret Service for life. If Trump loses the election and flees the country, does his security detail have to go with him if he requests it?

I imagine this could go down in a variety of ways: He departs the U.S. before he's sentenced and just never returns, or he attempts to flees or does flees the U.S. after his sentencing. Either way, what happens to his security detail?

If he attempts to flees after he's sentenced, I would hope the detail would refuse to take part in it (if he can even board a plane/leave the country to begin with), but given all their failings, who knows.

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[–] Death_Equity 46 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The USSS would not have any obligation to a former president that is a fugitive from law.

As individuals they could abandon their service, which has serious legal remifications, and follow Trump of their own choice. I doubt any would do that because why they became USSS and how badly it would ruin their lives.

[–] grasshopper_mouse 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

So I looked into the USSS, and here from their FAQ: "Under Title 18, Section 3056, of the United States Code, agents and officers of the United States Secret Service can:

Carry firearms

Execute warrants issued under the laws of the United States

Make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony recognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed such felony

Offer and pay rewards for services and information leading to the apprehension of persons involved in the violation of the law that the Secret Service is authorized to enforce

Investigate fraud in connection with identification documents, fraudulent commerce, fictitious instruments and foreign securities and

Perform other functions and duties authorized by law"

This leads me to wonder just how many times a SS Agent witnessed Trump committing a felony in their presence but didn't arrest him.

[–] Death_Equity 12 points 2 months ago

They have no obligation to enforce the law, just as a patrol cop does not need to pull you over for speeding. There also is having to be the guy that arrests Trump and the response that would bring you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

More to the point, if there is a warrant issued for his arrest, his secret service detail would need to arrest him.

[–] Death_Equity 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They have no obligation to enforce the law, just as a patrol cop does not have to pull you over for speeding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure the options would be to arrest him or be fired for insubordination.

[–] fodderoh 7 points 2 months ago

The protection detail would not arrest him. The agency with the warrant would coordinate with the secret service to either get access to Trump or, more likely, give Trump the opportunity to surrender.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

if there is a warrant issued for his arrest, his secret service detail would need to arrest him.

Also if he tried to flee the country, I would expect.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 2 months ago

There's a massive difference between watching someone commit arson and watching a document get delivered that turns everything into a RICO case. You'd never know unless you knew the business details.

[–] solrize 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe Trump could escape the US by hiding in a box disguised as "music equipment" (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57760993). Then the USSS wouldn't have to accompany him.

[–] Death_Equity 8 points 2 months ago

He is more of a fan of his wife dying and hiding things in the coffin.

Melania falls down the stairs and he has her casket sent to her homeland of Slovenia or burial, which is quite the convenient place for him to find himself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe he could ensemble some sympathisers?