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Ontario eyes barring new bike lanes where car lanes would be cut (www.cbc.ca)
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The Ontario government is considering bringing forward legislation that could prohibit the installation of bike lanes when lanes for motor vehicles are removed as a result, sources say.

Siemiatycki said "this government has signalled that the car is king," pointing to prior steps the governing Progressive Conservatives (PCs) have taken to ease costs for drivers.

He sees the PCs as making a clear play for the votes of motorists, and believes the policy would also appeal to many drivers frustrated with congestion on the roads.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I think we need to keep educating the people we know that the only way to decrease traffic in the city is to move as many people as possible out of their cars into public transit or on bikes. That's an easy point to make.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Preface: I work with a hard core "they're going to make us eat crickets" kinda guy.

He was going on about how "how bad traffic is in the GTA and how they are trying to take away our cars so that no one drives any more." So I point out that if they added a bunch more Go Trains in the GTA you wouldn't need your car to commute AND there would be less traffic on the highway for the people who do drive.

But where are you going to park all those extra trains.

Bruh. There are how many million fucking cars that drive to the GTA and park every god damned day but you want to know where they are going to park 30 trains?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Car brain disease..

Show them a picture of the Mimico railyard. Then blow their mind with "with 24-hour service, fewer trains need parking."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

But where are you going to park all those extra trains.

Bad faith argument and false equivalency.

They don't think a second about the spatial constraints of cars, so using this argument is a failed attempt at using the enemy's weapons against themselves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lol, yeah, rail depots are just such a mystery to figure out. I guess the fact that you can put these anywhere out of the way means the guy has never seen one. As opposed to parking garages that have to be at the destination.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

They don’t, they keep rolling all day, unlike cars that sit still most of their life.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Tell him they fold flat for storage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I keep trying, and around the younger people my age it's mostly agreement, but when it comes to people even just slightly older they just "like driving" and hate cyclists and think public transit sucks. They don't understand that the reason for their dislike is due to the poor biking and transit infrastructure and car-centric roads and cities.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Totally fine. When I get that, I go with "Well a lot of people don't like driving; transit and bikes take those cars away from the road so your driving will be nicer. The more people in cars the worse the driving for you. We can't build wide enough to accommodate it while being able to afford living here. Transit and bikes are much cheaper and get cars out of your way. Vroom vroom"