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How serious are you guys when you talk about punching nazis? (self.asklemmy)

submitted 2 months ago by ChilledPeppers to c/asklemmy

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I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I've been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn't use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won't help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn't make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn't clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

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[–] aodhsishaj 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The definition of the Strawman Fallacy may beg to differ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know what a strawman is now what part of my comment was a strawman?

[–] aodhsishaj 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its something people say to feel powerful and punk.

Diminishing and assigning motive

Its similar to the fat boomers on the right who say they are ready to go to war.

And these fat boomers you're equating are the literal strawmen.

Are you sure you read the article?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

None of that was used to refute and argument. No where in my comment did I refute an argument or even use that as evidence.

If you read one line further I say "If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it." Thats me assuming they are as serious as they say and giving my reason why I think it harms more than helps.

[–] aodhsishaj 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it.”

You're directly refuting the sentiment of the argument in that very line. "Nobody wants to actually punch a Nazi because they're all skinny punks." Is that not the crux of your argument? Serious question as I'm not trying to misquote or oversimplify.

You've also said that from the punk shows you went to personally you never saw any Nazis, I posted articles about current Nazis infiltrating punk scenes and the historical context of them doing that.

Are you willfully ignorant?