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Rich Logis, a former voter for former President Trump, appeared in a video message broadcast to the Democratic National Convention on Monday night to say that the COVID-19 pandemic showed him how Trump was “lying about pretty much everything.”

“I believed Trump,” he said. “When the pandemic hit, we needed leadership, but we were given almost nothing. It was a major betrayal to the country.”

Logis described himself as a “full-fledged member of MAGA” and encouraged fellow voters that there was still time to change their minds about whom to cast a ballot for in November.

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[–] TrickDacy 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah except I'm from that world and it's not really how you're presenting it at all. The real cause here is an extreme rejection of education. If that wasn't the case, they'd see how Republicans make their lives far harder every time they can. But the truth isn't important to them. Only feeling indignant and continuing with the same false facts they've always worked on.

No matter how much democrats could tell them what votes are in their best interest,

This is what pisses me off. Uh, no, it makes zero sense that they disbelieve obvious facts and cling to nonsensical lies. Being wronged doesn't absolve you of being expected to think

[–] Bertuccio 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

OCs comment is basically "All the politicians lied to them so it's totally understandable that they won't trust Democrats... but blindly follow Republicans"

If any of that was true, rural people would dislike all politicians and industry shills, and vote against them. Not consistently favor the ones who screw them more.

It's great that some of them finally came to their senses and maybe will drag others with them, but that doesn't make it acceptable to have doggedly held immoral stances that hurt others in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

rural people would dislike all politicians and industry shills, and vote against them

That's exactly how Trump came to be President. It's also why they like the message of small government. They are all a bunch of lying assholes, so better to have the smallest government possible. It's a message that meshes with god being more important than country, and with 2A. You've 100% nailed it.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 16 points 4 months ago

Well one of the parties offers them a petty sense of revenge and no need to change if you’re an asshole, so that seems that’s all it takes to earn loyalty.

[–] someguy3 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

OCs comment is basically "All the politicians lied to them so it's totally understandable that they won't trust Democrats... but blindly follow Republicans"

This is why they liked Trump (the first time anyway). The other Republicans say one thing then do another. They saw Trump as actually meaning it. Course it didn't happen and the ones that see that are bailing.

Trump used to talk a good game, but, well that's it.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Trump did not "talk a good game." His grift is painfully obvious to anyone that's graduated from kindergarten. Him getting elected is just an example of how stupid a sizeable chunk of this country truly is.

[–] someguy3 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When you listen to him now and him 8 years ago, you realize he used to talk about bringing back jobs and industry. He doesn't do that anymore. I agree people should have been able to see through it then. But now he relies too much on attacks and he's showing through, so more people can see through it (and from his no results from 4 years, and Jan 6).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I agree wit both of you - Trump talked a good game for people with little education, presented himself as an “outsider who would drain the swamp” of politicians they have learned to distrust, he “said what he meant” (aka insults and bigotry), and was a “self-made millionaire” (something they all aspire to and believe they could be someday). It was a good grift for the population he targeted, as the original commenter said, angry at industry leaving their towns, angry at politicians not helping. You know what PT Barnum said: "There is a fool born every minute". He said a lot of other applicable things too because he was a successful con man, just like Trump.

[–] jumjummy 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don’t forget religion. Religion is a cancer that encourages you to just trust what you’re being told despite a complete lack of evidence. Religion is also the cause of these single issue voters, like on abortion, where they will vote R simply on the abortion issue alone.

[–] TrickDacy 5 points 3 months ago

Honestly though, religion is just their scapegoat. While you're right that it discourages free thinking, I don't know if a single toxic belief they have outside of homophobia, which has any basis in religion. For example, the Bible says nothing about abortion, except describing one in detail once.

They hide behind their religion. Which is pretty sacrilegious honestly. But let's not let them pretend God told them to be horrible assholes.