It frustrates me as someone who learned English as their 3rd language that these borrowed words and names are pronounced both wrong in English and wrong in their original language. Whose idea was that ?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Language is determined by usage, so it was basically everyone's idea all at once.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I used to think it was just a social in-group/out-group thing, so English speakers could more easily spot foreigners for not knowing the odd pronunciations. But the more I learn about language the more I think of the adage "don't ascribe malice to what could be adequately explained by incompetence".

With how many speakers use English, I now think it just gets jumbled and mangled over time and there's no real central authority to correct for that. Ultimately that makes our words sound weirder and more colorful so it's not the worst thing, especially once you understand that even native speakers don't know how to pronounce most large words until heard.