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So calling anyone that's liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn't a straw man? It's intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you're being elitist, even if that's not your intention.
I agree that the average US liberal isn't progressive enough and I don't agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
No liberal is a leftist, liberalism is right-wing, while leftism is Socialist, of some sort. Additionally, the person you replied to said liberalism itself can be debated, but this specific anti-Leftist liberalism found on Lemmy.world is "Blue MAGA," ie Leftists aren't allowed to complain about whatever right-winger the DNC fronts.
I don't see how any of that follows.
So you agree with them saying leftists should be allowed to have a voice, but disagree with them saying Lemmy.world liberals are trying to silence Leftists, then "both-sidesing" them? Not sure what you're cooking here.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
Leftism is Socialist, ie collective ownership of the Means of Production. Rightism is Capitalist, ie individual ownership of the Means of Production.
Liberalism supports Capitalism, ie current system + tweaks, ergo it is right-wing.
That's factually not correct though. I understand and agree there is a difference between leftist and liberal, but the rest is just blatantly wrong.
Here's a history lesson on left and right wing;
https://www.history.com/news/how-did-the-political-labels-left-wing-and-right-wing-originate
Left means progressive, right means traditional. Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they're not as progressive as you. That's what I mean by elitist.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren't meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
It is not "blatantly wrong."
I'm aware.
Broadly, yes.
Incorrect, entirely. Liberalism is the status quo, ergo it cannot be considered left. Liberalism supports Capitalism and is a right-wing ideology, to be left is to go against that status quo.
I'm not being "elitist," I am pointing out that Liberalism is not progressive, it's the status quo. I myself am a Marxist, and believe leftism to be correct, but not elite.
In Lemmy.world's modlog, you can find comments and posts removed for being "commie," and Lemmy.world defederates from explicitly Marxist instances.
It's usally confined to right-leaning instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
You're generalizing what I said, you can see plainly that I was referring to the people behaving like that in this thread.
This is the depth of analysis I've come to expect from you all, though.
I'm literally a leftist -_-
I just disagree with arguing and insulting anyone who is a bit less progressive than me. I prefer to not see the world as black and white
that's a fair point, granted. I'm also generalizing and it seems this thread is evolving somewhat but the first dozen comment threads here were liberals taking swings at straw men and that's a pattern I've seen in every thread.
not all liberals are like this but this community is staggeringly cult-like and paranoid.
oh NOW suddenly and always the leftists have critiques of liberals even though the one who couldn't win was replaced by one who could hopefully win, their consistent ideology can only mean they're Russian agents