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[–] nothingcorporate 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Let me get this straight... Joe drops out and a few hundred delegates just get to choose whoever they want? Is that really how the system works?

(I'm literally asking, I don't have a dog in this fight, I think she's probably as good a choice as the Democrats have, just seems like a weird system)

[–] dingdongmetacarples 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Basically, yea. The Democratic Party makes the rules for how they pick candidates, and this is them following those rules.

[–] Boddhisatva 2 points 1 month ago

Not only do they make their own rules, the DNC has argued in court that they have no obligation to follow those rules since they can change them whenever they want anyway.

"But here, where you have a party that's saying, We're gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we're gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we're gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That's not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right, and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party politics to answer those questions." - DNC attorney Bruce Spiva

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Parties could choose their candidates through Ouija boards and it'd have been fine as far as the law is concerned

[–] pjwestin 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, pretty much. We didn't even have primaries until the 20th century. Before that, the party would just pick the candidate at the convention. Even then, until 1968, the primaries were basically just opinion polls, and party bosses were free to ignore the primary results. In the 70s, they started forcing delegates to commit to primary voters' choices, but that's simply an internal party rule, and they could change it at any time. Also, even now, the party has a lot of control over who is nominated. The Superdelegates are not committed to voters' choices, and in 2016, they were the reason the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted. The fact that primaries take place over several weeks instead of a single day, like a general election, also gives the party time to place their thumb on the scale for their preferred candidates (something that Representatives Ford and Smith recently admitted the party did in 2020 to give Biden the nomination).

So, tl;dr: yes, the parties can do whatever they want. Until about 50 years ago, the primaries were basically just suggestions, and even now, they party is doing more to select the candidates than you realize.

[–] barsquid 2 points 1 month ago

This dumb shit. I want score or STAR voting.

[–] Chainweasel 6 points 1 month ago

Yes, parties pick their own candidates and there's no rule saying we actually have to have a primary.
The parties could just put forward whatever candidate they want and push them for president, but if they do a primary they have a better chance at winning because they can select the most popular candidate with voters.
The primary is there for their benefit, not ours.