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Dangerous Precedent': Record AIPAC Spending Helps George Latimer Defeat Jamaal Bowman
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Eli5: How does record AIPAC spending prevent people from voting? It still comes down to people voting so isn't it safe to say more people voted for the person who won than people who voted for the losing candidate?
Edit: come on this isn't reddit. I'm not concerned with this question of who was running and what they are in favor of. As far as I have been attentive to politics there has always been campaign contributions from lobbyists with the intent to have their interests protected. I do not understand why or how that would affect the outcome of the election unless one candidates total campaign funds were a pot more than the others. I also don't understand why is thes any new precedent? Hopefully with this added clarity the down votes won't burry the comment and further discussion can be had.
Do you think that people are pouring millions of dollars into elections because they are stupid and wasting it? This seems like a bad faith question.
Organization trumps money. The problem is that a lot of progressive organizations aren't able to mobilize voters for elections like this.
Organising requires funds, though.
It hasn't yet, so that's a false statement.
But how does that keep people from voting? I'm not being a dick it's a genuine question. Corporations dump trillions into advertising but that doesn't prevent me from comparing products and choosing the product that best fits my needs. Matter of fact, there was a post today I saw that was about the futility of targeted ads having no better results than traditional marketing.
It does not prevent people from voting.
It may, however, amplify distortions of the truth or bold-face lies.
With regards to AIPAC it amplifies the voice of a group that is ONLY concerned with the advancement of Israeli interests.
Sorry you're getting downvoted to hell. You're right. Sometimes people want everything to be a conspiracy or something aside from the simpler truth which is that voters just wanted somebody different.
Well said and good point.
It doesn’t. But it puts their agenda up front and center for those that can be manipulated by it a whole lot easier.
Sort of similar to how people here will urge you to not vote for Biden. Most people will see this as people essentially just shitting into a fan, but at its core, it’s really a way to circumvent having to directly show support for Trump on a left-leaning social media platform where they’d get banned.
So where did all the pro-Isreal propaganda get pushed to? The anti-Isreal propaganda is everywhere. (I don't know a better word than propaganda to use here but I don't mean it as any sense of invalidating or dismissing eirher the anti-Isreal/pro-Isreal sentiment)
TV, Facebook, Instagram, radio ads, billboards, etc. Basically all the places where boomers bask
Personally, I think there’s a fuck-ton of nuance to the issue and I find that it’s best not to listen to a bunch of high-school kids lecturing everyone on who to vote for based on foreign affairs that they weren’t even aware were happening less than a year ago.
Where the others went?
This is lemmy. You’re not allowed to accept that the situation is nuance led as fuck. Even if you mostly agree with the hive.
"Anyone who disagrees with me on anything must be younger than me and therefore wrong." - Boomer logic.
Yawn…. Is there anything that doesn’t offend you? Seriously man. I’m not engaging with you on this anymore.
You said you were gonna ignore me last time you spewed your hatred for the anti-genocide left.
That does not obligate me to ignore you.
I said I was ignoring you then. And I did. And now I’m ignoring your current nonsense now. You see, it’s a thing that can be activated at will. And don’t mistake my responding to you as some form of hypocrisy. Or that your little trolling attempt was successful. I’m fully allowed to respond to whatever bullshit you bring me. That is my right. I will however choose when I wish- to ignore discussing whatever dumb shit you try and bring up as a means to distract from the point to create a straw man as is pretty much ALL you do.
And considering that you’re incapable of stopping yourself from mouthing off at anyone who dares to disagree with your little agenda, it’s pretty easy to do.
You should probably get used to it. I have seen that I’m not the only one that does it.
Oh, and for the record- and on the topic of ignoring things… As I’ve said and you’ve ignored before- I don’t have a problem with the far left.
I have a huge problem with the “far left.” And you should too.
You're spectacularly bad at ignoring me.
Two things. Opposition to genocide is not a "little agenda" just because it pisses you off to see people who don't unconditionally support everything centrist Democrats do.
And your distinction about the far left versus the "far left"? Bullshit. You hate everyone to your left and tell yourself that they're to your right to justify it.
Now go back to "ignoring" me.
Three things:
One- You seem to take GREAT offense to my accusing some people of being fake far lefters. So much so that you can’t help yourself and seem compelled to respond to my every comment about it. It’s almost like… you’re incapable of not responding to my every comment on the topic. It’s like… yOu jUsT cAn’T iGnOre mE! (Waaah!)
Two- gEnOciDe is absolutely a “little agenda.” When positioned from the perspective of the far right trolls that pretend to support it. The same people you get incredibly upset about when people accuse you of being- but adamantly defend them when people go on the offensive on them.
You really need to choose a lane buddy.
And three- you claim time-and-again that you’re going to vote for Biden. At this point: I’m calling bullshit. And I’m pretty sure we both know it’s bullshit. And my evidence is One and Two from just above this paragraph if you need a reference.
K? Bye!
This is not what ignoring me looks like. This is utterly indistinguishable from previous conversations we've had, except you've made your genocide support much clearer.
Everything to your left must be all the way to your right. You've never considered once that genocide is wrong and that you're wrong for supporting it.
Okay buddy. You’re free to falsely accuse me of whatever you’d like. Until you get your boy elected, it’s a free country.
You falsely accuse me of being a trumpist constantly.
Like you do to anyone who doesn't support Netanyahu's genocide.
I'm voting for Biden. Lie about me all you want. Not that you need encouragement. You can't even tell the truth about ignoring me.
Sure thing bud. Keep defending those conservative bots. You’re only telling on yourself.
You can't defend your support for genocide, so you pretend that anyone who doesn't support genocide must be to your right. Vote for Biden if you can.
And you can’t defend your support for Trump. Sooo…. I guess it’s a stalemate.
I don't support Trump, no matter how much you interpret my opposition to the genocide you love as such.
And I don’t support genocide no matter how much you interpret my opposition to MAGA bots parading themselves around as far lefters.
Dude… you’re not getting the point I’ve tried to fucking tell you- over and over again!
I’m not accusing you of shit. If you’re legit- you’re fine. But you HAVE to know here are bad actors among you. And the fact that you STILL constantly come at me when I’m only trying to pull weeds from YOUR garden, makes me think you want them there.
If you’re not in favor of a Trump win and genuinely don’t support him in any way, then why not join me and the others in weeding out those among you that are there in bad faith?
I honestly don’t get your angle here.
You have no evidence whatsoever of these "maga bots" except that they oppose Netanyahu's genocide. That's not evidence. That's you making shit up about people you disagree with.
You keep calling me a trumpist.
Yeah, I'm talking to one. You constantly lie about the anti-genocide left because you want to discredit the left, opposition to genocide, or both.
I'm not going to join your personal mccarthyist inquisition against everyone to your left just because you've imagined that there's Russian psyops behind every rock.
Like I said last time you said this: I criticize those to my right. You should try it sometime.
Holy shit! I don’t think I have ever in my life seen someone choose what they want someone else to say more than you do. And the amount of people you do this to is…. Well. Everyone you disagree with. Your modlog show that.
So it seems you either have a VERY serious reading comprehension problem, or you’re willfully trolling.
My guess is it’s both.
I’m done wasting time with you on this, so go ahead and have the all important last word you always seem to so badly crave. I’m going to go ahead and take the high road out of this embarrassment of a discussion. I’ll be temporarily blocking you so I don’t even get notified that you responded. That’s how little I am interested in hearing what you have to say.
But don’t think to bring this up as some antagonistic bullshit excuse to accuse me of paying attention to your nonsense after I said I wouldn’t. You’re not that good of a troll. I’m just simply done with THIS discussion. As I was done with the other individual discussions.
I’ll be unblocking you when I feel it’s time to.
Until then….
Next time you badmouth the anti-genocide left for being both anti-genocide and to your left, I'll be there. And you will have conveniently unblocked me, just like you totally ignored me.
Decided to check in on you after Biden's performance at the debate, and I find you getting utterly trounced by someone who seems to be fully on the level. If you can't understand why someone would be at least hesitant to support Genocide Joe (while fully acknowledging that Genocide Donald is our only other option), I just can't take you seriously.
And if you’re willing to admit that you are fully aware that the genocide isn’t going to get any better under Trump and will actually become worse-
And still suggest people not vote for Biden….
I won’t just not take you seriously, I’ll assume you’re actively trying to get Trump elected.
^Holds finger right near your eyeball and says, but i'm not touching you, see, i'm not touching you.
Are you implying that by spending more money they are blocking you from seeing the opposition? That's absolutely not the case.
It would be more like people raising hands around you and you see mostly green hands and only a few blue hands and thus less-informed people will be more likely to lean towards the majority.