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submitted 5 months ago by Godric to c/politicalmemes

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[–] GraniteM 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Hitler's government was a popular government; the vast majority of Germans preferred the rule of gangsters to the effort of thinking and doing for themselves. They abdicated their franchise.

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The former Berlin businessman I referred to earlier told me that he blamed his own group, people with the time and the money and the opportunity to know better, for what happened to Germany. "We ignored Hitler," he said. "We considered him an unimportant fellow, not quite a gentleman, not of our own class. We considered it just a little bit vulgar to bother with him, to bother with politics at all."

They thought of the government as "They." The only possible route to a clear conscience in politics is to accept political responsibility, either as an active member of the party in power or as an equally active member of the loyal opposition.

—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government

[–] grue 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Similarly, MLK saw "the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice" as the biggest impediment to civil rights.

The bottom line is that being secure enough in your position in society to think you don't have to engage in politics, or that you can afford to vote your principles instead of tactically, is itself a form of privilege. Those sorts of privileged people think themselves neutral or uninvolved or maybe (in the case of professed leftists refusing to vote Dem as a protest) on their own third side, but the reality is that they are the right-wing authoritarians' greatest ally every single time.

[–] go_go_gadget 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lol imagine thinking "moderate white" doesn't perfectly describe the majority of people walking into the 2020 primaries and voting for Joe Biden.

[–] grue 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong about the primary, but you are wrong to conflate the primary with the general election when it's the latter that we're talking about here.

[–] go_go_gadget -3 points 5 months ago

Lol so I'm "radical" in the primaries when I don't vote for Biden but I'm "moderate" in the general when I don't vote for Biden?

That's not how labels work sir.

[–] Aqarius 9 points 5 months ago

That's not how it went, though. It's, in fact, the opposite of how it went. Hitler had relatively little popular support, but full support of the industrial elite. It's blaming the people for the crimes of the elite. "They abdicated their franchise" no, fuckface, half of them voted communist. "We ignored Hitler" no, fuckface, you put him in power because you thought he'd be malleable.

I'm not surprised Heinlein bought it, though. And I'm not surprised people here are buying it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

It's funny that both democrats and third party voters will look at your comment and think you're on their side.