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[–] Makeitstop 125 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I find it interesting that guys like this who want to start a race war always think that this is the thing that's going to do it. Like we've made it through all the other hate crimes, injustices and large scale protests without erupting into a race war, but one more incident will do the trick.

Also interesting is how closely his plan is tied to the election. He isn't just trying to send a message before the election, he specifically thinks that his side needs a specific outcome in the election for his plan to succeed. This plan seems to be a direct consequence of current political environment and the messages coming from his preferred candidate and his supporters.

Now the article doesn't actually say which candidate needs to win in order to embolden violent white supremacists. But if you need 2 guesses, you should probably consider going back into the coma you've been in for the past decade, you're not going to like the future.

[–] Boozilla 35 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

He's clearly insane, but you're right, it's still interesting how his "logic" works.

It's scary that these psychos think violence is the answer to their perceived problems. There's a line from The Boys that talks about this, I'm paraphrasing: they would rather see themselves as warriors against "secret forces of evil" than the lonely forgettable losers they are.

It's even more frightening to me that they live in some fantasy world where they think they can win a race war. Nobody here would win that. We'd all lose, and some other hostile nation would take full advantage of our domestic self-destruction. I'm worried it's not a fringe notion. I'm worried a significant percentage are deluding themselves along these lines of violent planning.

As corny as it sounds...United We Stand, Divided We Fall...is still true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

The right wing fantasy that you can murder your way to a just and harmonious society

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they would rather see themselves as warriors against "secret forces of evil" than the lonely forgettable losers they are.

Tried to find the quote or the episode, but couldn’t. That’s a good line, nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

S04E02, ~33min into episode. Conversation between Firecracker and Sister Sage.

Firecracker:

Purpose. I sell purpose. These people got nothing. Maybe they lost a job or a house or a kid to Oxy. Politicians don't give a shit, mainstream media tells them to be ashamed of their skin color, so, well, I bring 'em together, tell them a story, give them a purpose. Which would you rather believe? That you belong to a community of warriors battling a secret evil, or that you're a lonely, inconsequential nobody that no one will ever remember?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Didn’t realize it’s the new episodes, can’t fall behind even a couple days lol.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] vxx 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They've been radicalised to become extremists. It can happen to anybody. It's easier with badly educated people. In fact, a lot of Lemmy users are on their way as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

"Extremist" is a pointless word in this context. Who's not extreme about something that matters, like human rights? That doesn't make a person the same as a white supremacist just because they have a firm conviction.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s always a self report with these people. They would do a race war at the drop of a hat, so naturally the people they look down on (and ironically characterize as more violent) must be just as ready to do the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I suspect they come to the conclusion that if black people had ever done the them what white people did to black people then they'd be dead-set on revenge.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Narcissism and psychopathy are associated with conservative political orientations and political extremism, so it's no surprise that a reich-wing lunatic believes he'll be the one to finally cause a race war by murdering minorities. Conservatives often have overinflated ideas of their own importance, and this dude was no different.

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In the present research (N = 675), we focus on the relationship between the dark side of human personality and political orientation and extremism, respectively, in the course of a presidential election where the two candidates represent either left-wing or right-wing political policies. Narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and everyday sadism were associated with right-wing political orientation, whereas narcissism and psychopathy were associated with political extremism. Moreover, the relationships between personality and right-wing political orientation and extremism, respectively, were relatively independent from each other.

We found eleven significant correlations between conservative [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad – [narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy,] all at significance level of p<.00001 – and no significant correlations between liberal [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad. We believe that these results raise provocative moral questions about the personality bases of moral judgments. In particular, we propose that because the Short-D3 measures three “dark and antisocial” personality traits, our results raise some prima facie worries about the moral justification of some conservative moral judgments

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

When Nixon used the southern strategy to win the presidency, there was a moral sorting that followed within the supporters of the two main political parties

[–] roguetrick 5 points 2 weeks ago

They're basing that mindset on white supremacist fiction like the Turner diaries. William Luther Pierce should've been shot instead of being allowed to die at an old age from kidney disease in a trailer park.

[–] cmbabul 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They all think they’re in the Turner Diaries

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] cmbabul 1 points 1 week ago

We really do need a mocking way to reference it, I was loath to type it