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When did it become 2003 again? And why is it one letter off from the way I remember it?
are you saying america is about to invade Iran, then three months later declare "mission accomplished", then have a military presence there for 20 years while they set up a new government which is just as corrupt as the previous one?
I'm saying 'Ira[x] bought a bunch of uranium from Niger' sounds awfully familiar.
Irax sounds like a scifi writer really should try harder with the real world parallels
Iraxis
Yeah, but how are they fixed for aluminum tubes?
I think that's being optimistic, after Iraq no one is going to trust the US enough to not instantly screw over the opposition just as hard as the government they're over throwing.
The only reason Bush had the opportunity to declare mission accomplished is because the majority of the Iraqi military gave up before/during the invasion because we cut deals with the Baathist, and then immediately turned on them.
When Bremer made being part of the Baathist party illegal, he basically outlawed anyone with a college degree in the country from joining the new government, and instantly turned the people who betrayed sadam in Iraqi army into a militant.
You say that like Bremer and Bush didn't know that's exactly what would happen.
Shit I'm still bitter about that decision 21 years later.
Tbf, I don't know if Bush knew about the eventual consequences of the action before hand. Not that it absolves him of any responsibility. However, I think that was near the time where he was just hanging at Camp David for weeks on end and letting Cheney and Rumsfeld run the show.
But yeah, the Bush administration appointed Bremer to the CPA specifically to disband the Baathist party and the Iraqi military.
At the time it was an order of three things. They disbanded the nascent Iraqi National Guard we were training; they forced all reconstruction contracts to go through American contractors; and they banned any Baath party member from public employment and contracts with the coalition/government.
A first year political science student can see where that's headed. I was a 19 year old Infantry private and I saw what that was going to do. Of course, I also saw the protests and was present for the meetings where locals told our commanders this was going to cause violence because if we didn't rescind it, because it left large swaths of the population with no legitimate way to provide for their family. But there's more information that isn't widely publicized. We had been making an effort to sit on the ammo and ordnance stockpiles to prevent any post war partisan activity. By the end of the summer we had been called off of those and told locals would secure them. Nobody would take responsibility for the order either, just "came down from on high".
We were absolutely setup as sacrificial lambs to the election cycle back home. Bush got a second term, and to be fair he probably would have if he brought us home right away too. But they didn't run a former pilot and POW in 2008 by chance. It's purely his choice of VP that tanked his chances. They wanted to foster instability right through the 2008 election. It left us with ISIS forming in the western Iraq desert and killed any chance of getting rid of the Taliban in Afghanistan. (By 2008 they were properly regrouped in Pashtunistan and no amount of combat operations would dislodge them again.) So they effectively sacrificed an entire country on the altar of domestic politics. I'm convinced they wouldn't have cared if Iraq had fallen to ISIS either, just another reason to vote for the chicken hawks in their book.
Maybe they could just not arm IS this time
They'll just train and arm an entirely different group of right-wing fundamentalists.