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[–] [email protected] 109 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Normally you publicly say looong in advance, like at least half a year in advance, that you plan to sell this amount of shares at this point in time. No more, no less, not earlier, not later, no backsies.

[–] Warl0k3 62 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Well no, there is backsies. You can rescind your intent to sell within a couple days. What most CEOs do is set up regular sells every month way in advance, then choose not to sell unless its opportune at the last minute. If that sounds like it completely defeats the purpose of the rule in the first place, yep! The system is rigged.

[–] CleoTheWizard 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn’t say completely. The notice of intent to sell is not there to prevent CEOs from selling when they want to, it’s to notify you that they could sell this much if they wanted to.

The purpose is just to say that you need to be prepared for a potential sale. If the CEO keeps backing out of a sale, that does hurt your ability to predict when they will but not how much they could sell and therefore how much those sales could potentially affect your investment.

All of that is strategic because otherwise investors could conceivably do the opposite and sell before the CEO is forced to sell and then buy his shares at a lower price. That would mean the stock would tank every time the CEO went to sell. The problem exists because most of the solutions are even worse

[–] Warl0k3 5 points 6 months ago

That's a fair point, thank you! I was mostly commenting because that rule gets brought up every time someone talks about insider trading (and musk specifically) as a defense and it's deeply irritating. It makes sense the rule is more about not hobbling CEO investment than insider trading since it really doesn't do much to prevent the latter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

The problem exists because most of the solutions are even worse

Everything you said makes a lot of sense, but this drives it home... The stock market is so unbelievably ridiculous. It's just unmanageable, it's such a simple idea with such horrible effects it might be a great filter