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The European Commission has expressed anger over a ban on EU flags at the Eurovision Song Contest and demands explanations.

The allegations, made by several spectators who attended the Grand Final on Saturday and were told off for carrying the flags, quickly turned viral and prompted a stern rebuke from Commission Vice President Margaritis Schinas.

"Eurovision is first and foremost a celebration of European spirit, of our European diversity and talent. The EU flag is a symbol of this," Schinas said on X on Saturday evening.

"Less than a month to the European elections, there should be no obstacles, big or small, to celebrating what unites all Europeans."

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[–] positiveWHAT 84 points 6 months ago (18 children)

There's seems to be no end to serious failures of the Eurovision leadership. Jury votes, Israel and now EU flagban.

[–] TaTTe 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget the Netherlands ban

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Wait why did they get banned?

[–] Perhyte 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

According to AVROTROS, Klein “repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed”, which “led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera”. They said: “Joost did not touch the camera woman.”

This was backstage btw. Idk if raising your fist as a gesture against a camera, when you told them to fuck off multiple times is deserving of the kind of shit he is getting. But who knows, i wasnt there.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not wanting to be filmed backstage at an event seems pretty normal IMO as backstage is where a lot of prep work happens. It probably not safe for untrained personnel and/or might reveal things that people don't want on camera (like costume malfunctions that are being worked out)

[–] Viking_Hippie 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also, it was literally seconds after he had finished singing an ode to his dead dad, so a very emotionally raw moment.

Which is why he had an agreement with everyone that he was not to be filmed at that time. An agreement that the obnoxious camera woman had agreed to prior to figuratively pissing all over it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet claims that he destroyed the camera.

[–] Linkerbaan 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The reason given is that "he made a threatening gesture towards a camera woman"

This is likely just an excuse to ban him because he spoke out against israel ~~committing Genocide~~ delegation not answering a question, as instant disqualification is extremely disproportionate for a gesture.

It also served as a great distraction from israel being allowed to compete.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That was Eric Saade with the scarf on the arm, but it was my first idea aswell. Or was there a separate incident with Joost Klein that i wasnt able to find?

[–] Linkerbaan 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think you are right I might be confused. Joost Klein did speak up during a panel during Eurovision to make the israeli singer answer a question they were trying to dodge

He also covered himself in the Dutch flag to be unrecognizable when they sat him next to israel

I didn't follow Eurovision too closely so I cannot confirm whether Klein spoke up against israel before Eurovision. For now I'll correct my comment.

The key point is that israel violated multiple rules themselves and harassed many contestants including the Irish one. So the decision to completely axe Joost for what appears to be a very minor infraction can almost not be explained by anything else that external motivations.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

"a backstage incident involving a female crew member"

The European Broadcasting Union (EBU), which organizes the annual event, taking place this year in Malmo, Sweden, said police were investigating the incident involving the singer Joost Klein and that it would not be appropriate for him to participate.

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