Medicare for all? lol just kidding, of course not.
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With a Republican house?
He's not getting it through a Republican House, but he could use it to get a Democratic House. Getting the party lined up behind it would be a massive step in the right direction.
Not gonna happen in the next 15 years, at best. Obama's apparatus has to be out of the picture for that to have a chance at happening.
Meanwhile, we also have to eliminate vultures like Gottheimer, Coons, and Warner who would stand in the way of anything approaching medicare for all, because it would not be helpful to their shareholders.
It's all academic, though. Dems have only the tiniest hope of regaining the house, probably with a majority as slim as what the GOP currently enjoys. 2024 Senate is nearly a lost cause, with Joe Manchin dropping out of WV, and it being a shitty electoral calendar for Senate Democrats to begin with.
In re the Presidential race: coin flip at best between Biden and Trump, and neither of them are fans of giving people healthcare without corporations making obscene profits.
~~Obama's~~ The Clinton apparatus has to be out of the picture for that to have a chance at happening.
Fixed that for you. The DNC and so-called centrist (actually right wing) Democrats have operated the same way since 1992 and they don't understand why people are fed up with that in 2023.
Can't disagree with you there. I went with "Obama" instead of "Clinton" because Obama's staffers and appointees will be around longer than Clinton's.
Clinton definitely cemented this playbook as doctrine, but Obama followed it to the letter.
Well some of Obama's people WERE original Clinton people such as James "The Ragin' Cajun" Carville and, worst of all, Henry Kissinger.
You're right, though, the Clintonites Obama brought in, will be around for longer.
If super majority, bullet proof, California can't pass universal healthcare it certainly wouldn't happen with more federal Dems in power. They serve capital first which includes healthcare profits
That’s because CA is for the most part controlled by neoliberal corporatist Democrats. The legislature isn’t made out of clones of Bernie Sanders.
Neoliberal corporatist and Democrat is redundant
With a senate that has at least 41 Republicans and centrist Democrats in any combination?
Good. He intends to reach out to people who are jumping ship, and is using varied messaging instead of just "not Trump." He's trying to win votes instead of expecting them to fall in his lap by virtue of being second worst.
I can't fault him for this. It's exactly what I've been saying Democrats should be doing if they want to win.
and what? "Well at least I'm not trump" them to death?
He's already started pardoning those convicted of simple marijuana related crimes. That disproportionately affects minorites.
It's all he and his team know how to do. They still think his low poll numbers are a "messaging problem" and not a, you know, DO SOMETHING problem.
it's all he's allowed to do.
remember, corporations make bank off the status quo. The kind of reforms progressives want... it hurts their pocket books. Biden is an "acceptable" candidate- not a complete douche, he comes off as sympathetic. but fundamentally still in their pockets. swaddled in their pocket-squares.
They still think his low poll numbers are a “messaging problem” and not a, you know, DO SOMETHING problem.
I mean, the messaging has been pretty dogshit so far, too. I welcome positive change from the "Fuck you, you're going to vote for us" we've been getting so far.
The same recycled neoliberal stump speech but given in neighborhoods populated by black and Hispanic folks
To be fair, he's definitely still not trump... Basically all of the value of that statement is still valid. Maybe even more so now.
I didn't vote for that, I voted libertarian, but objectively speaking, if it was worth a vote four years ago, it's worth the same vote now. If you aren't willing to vote Dem on just that, you shouldn't have last time either :)
There are many people who are “not trump”. That’s… not much of a reason.
How many of them do you honestly see running against him in the coming election?
It is if the Republican candidate is Trump. If it's almost anyone else, I think Biden might be screwed.
There are- according to Biden himself- 50 other democrats that could beat trump.
Most of whom are also far more likely to. A Biden-Trump rematch is going to be a squeaker, he’s loosing increasing numbers of votes… and people want something new and different. That’s not trump, but it’s also not Biden.
Don’t buy the fearmongering. It’s bullshit. Biden ain’t doing this to beat trump. He’s doing it to keep his corporate overlords fat and happy.
If it's anyone else, Trump will run as an independent and split the vote. Biden's chances would improve under such a scenario.
I agree whole-heartedly, the bar isn't set very high at all, but trump wins the race to the bottom IMHO. Like I said, I'm gonna vote for an actual functioning adult without any regard for the "you're voting for the other team" crap (because both sides say exactly the same shit), but I won't be upset if Biden gets re-elected...
It isn't much, but it's all thats being offered if you're invested in the big two game.
How do you "broadcast directly to Black and Hispanic voters" exactly? I'm reasonably certain there's no non-racist answer to that question, and it's rhetorical in nature... I'm just saying... That's not how you support minorities... Pardoning 11 whole ass people doesn't sound all that supportive either.
The fuck does he plan on telling these directly targeted minorities? That he's gonna do something for them? He's an incumbent, he's had four years to do something, are people really gonna give a shit that he woke up from his nap because it's election time?
I hope he carries the vote, but God damn is the bar low right now...
To broadcast directly to Hispanic voters, Biden will be starring the lead role in a telenovela La Casa Blanca from early next year. /j
Who you pardon is symbolic for how your law enforcement should behave
For example, trump claiming he would pardon specific people or groups
The opposite is true, by saying what you'll crack down on (or stop)
Law enforcement has removed the individual liberty of thousands over something that is perfectly legal in like half the country right now...
The judiciary branch can, and will, argue that their actions were, at the time, criminal activity. They can't really roll that back without some really fucky precedents happening on the process.
It's one of the very few instances when the executive "checks and balances" are truly warranted, and these types of pardons should be absolutely rampant right now, even without a federal descheduling. It's one of the few times we it's simply the right thing to do vs the political dog whistle its generally used as.
It should not be symbolic... But I will concede that it should be a gubernatorial matter :)
They've grown to see past the pandering knowing their lives do not improve with empty promises
The only group they really lose was young latino and black men, and there is good reason for that. Black and Hispanic women were constant shares.
Affirmative action went in its funding in 50% to white women. It is difficult to curt a group when programs initiated to help them ends up benefiting mostly you. And this happens again and again with other institutions.
Why it matters: Team Biden knows that they need to drive up the president's numbers with Black and Hispanic voters – and convince them to turn out on election day.
Driving the news: The emerging strategy was on display Wednesday, when Biden traveled to Milwaukee to highlight his administration's investment in Black-owned businesses.
- On Friday, the White House announced that Biden would grant clemency to 11 people who were serving "disproportionately long sentences," for nonviolent drug offenses, including those with long crack cocaine convictions, a key priority for the Congressional Black Caucus and civil rights groups.
By the numbers: To reassemble his winning coalition from 2020, Biden needs to dramatically improve his standing with Black, Hispanic and young voters.
- Several recent surveys put Biden's level of Black support in the low 60% range, a shocking development for a demographic that supported Biden with 92% of the vote in the last election.
- His approval rating among Hispanics is even lower, at 33% in a recent Pew survey. Former President Trump leads Biden by five percentage points in the demographic, according to a new CNBC survey. In 2016, Biden won 59% of the Latino vote, according to exit poll data.
Zoom out: From the outset of Biden's presidency, top officials have viewed local and specialized media as a tool to circumvent national new organizations and speak directly to voters.
Zoom in: Earlier this month, the Biden campaign released a new ad, previewed by The Root, highlighting the administration's efforts to help Black farmers.
How did biden win any percentage of the latino vote in 2016?
That made me lol... I was like "dafuq you talking about?" And then I realized what you were asking :)
Not too sure on that, may be 2018 or comparing to Clinton numbers? Quote that has 59% and mentions hispanics below.
Biden received the support of 92% of Black voters, nearly the same as Clinton received in 2016 and Democratic candidates for the U.S. House received in 2018.
While Biden took a 59% majority of the Hispanic vote, Trump (with 38%) gained significantly over the level of support Republican candidates for the House received in 2018 (25%). To be sure, Hispanic voters are not a monolith; there is substantial diversity within the Hispanic electorate.
This is what they link:
Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory [Jun 30 2021 | Pew Research Center]
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/