There was all kinds of stupid misinformation being spread before the ban here in Indiana. People thinking kids were getting "mutilated" on a daily basis in Indiana when there wasn't a single healthcare facility in the state that has ever performed gender-affirming surgery on minors. I'm glad this was struck down. It will prevent suicides.
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It's their scare tactics. They want to make it seem like trans people are a legitimate concern to cis people so they pull a lot of this " Of you were young today you could have been chemically castrated just because you liked Barbie as a kid!"
Meanwhile the team that actually works with trans kids is most often a team of four. A social worker, a therapist trained and familiar in dealing with trans paitents, a pediatrician and an endocrinologist. Surgery isn't an option until late teens and those surgeries are usually just breast reductions that normal regular old cis girls are also able to get if they want. HRT isn't offered unless they have an incredibly solid psych profile and the kid has been socially living as the other gender for literal years and they use reversible puberty blockers as long as they can. Yeah, physical transition that young does mean that infertility is a likely outcome... But not everyone looks at having genetically related kids as being a nessisary part of their experience.
People don't tend to pick interventions if the medicine is worse than what ails you. These kids are capable of making reasonable decisions in their late teens with the assistance of multiple experts who walk them through every potential physical drawback of their choice and these kids already know the social cost of being openly trans and of being closeted. That's part of the process. They are an incredibly personally educated demographic because to successfully get HRT as a late teen you need to be an eloquent and enthusiastic self advocate in the face of medical inertia. If they don't think you are reasonably mature and intelligent to make that decision they err on the side of therapy.
They certainly get a lot more help and support before they begin any non-surgical procedure compared to teen girls who get nose jobs because their parents can afford to pay for them. And no one calls that mutilation or says that kids are too young to decide whether or not they should get a nose job. Do they consult doctors or therapists before deciding to get one? No. They just go to the plastic surgeon and set up a time for the surgery.
Same here in Florida. But they fail to realize circumcising is mutilating a child but that precocious puberty exists and many people use hrt and blockers for non trans related things.
As of right now, adults in Florida are “banned” from getting their meds bc they still haven’t created the form they want the MDs to sign yet.
So they preemptively blocked NP and LPNs from offering care but then still haven’t created the form to be signed by MDs, effectively creating a significant blockage as most clinics only had 1-2 MDs if that and they have to be seen in person now as tele health is also banned.
It’s honestly ridiculous what they are making people do.
Oh yeah, I love asking these people talking about mutilating children what they think of circumcision and why, if they are against it, they aren't this vocal about it.
This is exactly what I thought too. Sad you don't see the same energy being thrown at ending this practice.
They aren't against it for 2 main reasons:
- They had it done to them (if they have a penis) and they're fine so it's normal, and OK, and not a crime (right?) ....
- They want to fit in and peer pressure is strong and they aren't strong enough to balk against it or tell a dr. "no".
I have a cousin that's trans that's leaving the state. This is exactly what the Republicans want.
Sad that this is in the politics section, isn't it?
Agreed, it shouldn't even be political at all, and the constitution stated under the 14th amendment equal protection for all. But the supreme court is ignoring it and using some other bullshit to overturn shit.
Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I'm a bit torn on this subject. I know that there is a detrans community out there that made a mistake transitioning and now want to go back. I just don't want anybody to go through that. Most of the argument is encouraging going to therapy and see if transitioning is the correct thing to do or if it's all a societal pressure thing. I also don't want people who actually need the procedure to go long living in the wrong skin. So I guess what I'm saying is it is a bit wrong to halt this treatment for youth. Maybe they can reconsider this given that the child has to go through many sessions of therapy and the doctors think it is the healthy procedure to do so.
The thing is, it's not just therapy. They also have to get a medical doctor to sign off on any sort of medical gender affirming care. People trying to ban it are basically saying doctors should be banned from doing what they think will help a patient's health.
This argument works even better for other surgeries. Gender affirming surgery and HRT has one of the lowest rates of regret of any procedure out there. So this argument works better for requiring knee surgery to be signed off by a therapist or doctor first after a few months of conversations to ensure it's the right thing. There is a gigantic amount of people regretting their knee surgeries after all compared to the regret of transitioning.
On a side note, most people who detransition do so due to not being able to afford HRT or family or societal pressure to do so, not because they find out they weren't trans. Of course it happens but it's much rarer than the total numbers of detransitions could lead one to believe.
I don't understand how any of these laws are valid under the SCOTUS case Bostock vs. Clayton County.
On June 15, 2020, the Court ruled in a 6–3 decision covering all three cases that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity is necessarily also discrimination "because of sex" as prohibited by Title VII.
It essentially means that sexuality and gender identity fall under "sex", a very well protected class. You can't hire, fire, refuse service, etc based on protected classes. Writing laws that specifically ban healthcare for protected classes shouldn't even be a consideration.
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