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[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also:

"An innovative solution that's always 5-7 years out, but you will never hear of again because this article jumped the gun."

[–] Khanzarate 29 points 9 months ago

That's "great result in a specific time and place"

[–] fireweed 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

They missed "environmental catastrophe unrelated to climate change that is getting ignored because it's unrelated to climate change"

Soil depletion, micro plastics, habitat loss, fertilizer runoff, invasive species, heavy metal contamination, light pollution, etc etc. Yes climate change is a big fucking problem, but if it were to magically get resolved overnight we'd still wake up to a mountain of other human-created environmental issues. But because everyone is so focused on climate change specifically, we're standing still (or even moving backward) on other issues. For example: electric cars are heralded as an environmental solution, but they: still require a lot of mining and resource extraction, still pollute through tire and brakepad wear, still produce a mountain of waste at the end of their lifespan, still use asphalt roads that require salting in winter, and still promote poor land use that creates all kinds of domino-effect problems (environmental and otherwise). Similarly hydroelectric is promoted as a sustainable energy source, but they wreak absolute havoc on river ecosystems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't habitat loss at least in part due to climate change as well?

[–] fireweed 2 points 9 months ago

Sure some habitat loss is due directly or indirectly to climate change, like polar bears, seals, and penguins losing the ice they need to breed and/or feed. But other instances are completely unrelated. For example, monarch butterflies in North America have experienced huge decreases in population due to an increase in herbicide use that destroyed massive numbers of milkweed plants, the only plant they lay eggs on, as well as destruction of the trees the monarchs over winter on in Mexico (eg through clear-cutting for avocado farms). Climate change has also hurt monarchs in various ways, but the specific issue of monarch habitat loss is generally unrelated.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Link doesn't work for me. Looks like some // fixes it.

OG xkcd.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Whoops. Fixed now

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

First two are pretty much it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

There's a bit more going on; in particular it's been clear that a mix of measures put together would suffice to stabilize temperatures.

The big issue is that the people who make money off fossil fuels and ruminants hold political power and have been able to delay implementation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Oh weird! I got a strange error message when I did this and it didn't go through. I even refreshed and didn't see any new comment to delete.