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Online anti-vaxxers, conflating Covid and MMR theories, are convincing parents against immunising their children

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But she doesn’t know who to trust. “I’ve done some research but feel like a lot of the info on the web is pro-vaccine,” she writes.

Really makes you wonder, why that would be the case.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

"I decided what the answer was and then I can't find any evidence to support my answer"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Just means her confirmation bias hasn't found the appropriate level of confirmation to be biased enough.

[–] Bytemeister 30 points 7 months ago

Disinformation has a body count. Don't forget that when people play it off as "an easy mistake" or "alternative facts".

[–] 2scoops 25 points 7 months ago (4 children)

As Ron White says, “you can’t fix stupid”. Seems to be an epidemic of it out there. If only there were a shot you could take…

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think the Ron White comment is pretty stupid, which leaves us with a nice paradox.

You might not be able to fix people who are willfully stupid. You can certainly try to prevent people from being sucked into the whirlpool of misinformation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Then they would not take it!

[–] WaxiestSteam69 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The sad thing is Ron White fans think he's talking about people who take vaccines. It wouldn't surprise me if he was anti vaccine.

[–] qooqie 3 points 7 months ago

In this case you can only hope stupid is a self correcting course

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The easiest way to enforce this is via schools, make it mandatory for children to be vaccinated if they want to go to school. That'll get the holistic middle class nutters vaccinated in no time.

[–] beetus 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Doesn't work when homeschooling is on an intense rise over the last two decades (in the US as example) https://www.nheri.org/big-growth-in-homeschooling-indicated-this-school-year/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's quite uncommon in the UK. They won't homeschool their kids, they have jobs and careers themselves the only people who tend school kids are the lower working class who typically have a parent who doesn't work and can therefore do it.

It's not common for the middle class parents to homeschool their kids. Then the upper classes don't do it because although they could afford to have a teacher invariably it's looked down on something only the poor people do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Agreed. I live in the UK, I was a school governor. You are, however giving these middle class folk who are deep down the rabbit hole an incentive to move to home schooling - or possibly to organise into independent "home school schools".

Personally, I think compulsion is a poor way to convince people about public health measures. It may not work and is likely to lead to more conspiracy theory- we have to be smarter than that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

That’ll get the holistic middle class nutters ~~vaccinated~~ to home-school in no time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


At the same time, influencers who gained large followings during the pandemic – including those at the forefront of sowing doubt about the Covid vaccines – appear to have refocused some attention on MMR.

The latest NHS figures show the MMR vaccine uptake is the lowest since 2010-11, with only 84.5% of children having received both doses by age five – well below the WHO recommended rate of 95%.

Part of the problem, said Selvarajah, is that there is a “massive overhang” from the days of Andrew Wakefield, who in the late 1990s pushed the debunked theory that the MMR vaccine causes autism – leading uptake to plummet.

In Hackney, there are particular challenges due to the makeup of the borough, which includes traditionally under-vaccinated groups, such as Orthodox Jewish and Somali communities, as well as a section of the “white middle class” who favour “more organic, holistic living and don’t believe in vaccines”.

Instead, Selvarajah and colleagues are trialling initiatives including holding community talks and paying junior doctors to ring up the parents of unvaccinated children to more gently encourage them to come in.

“Part of the strategy is to be really approachable and easy to access.” Facebook generally permits such discussions, only removing misinformation it thinks is “likely to directly contribute to the risk of imminent physical harm”.


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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is the consequence of pushing an experimental vaccine on people and telling people if they don't take it they'll die. People will distrust vaccines that will take years to repair and do so much damage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

It's mainly the consequence of a resurgence in the Andrew Wakefield nonsense around MMR from years ago. Wakefield is, of course a charlatan who falsified data, had a commercial interest in his narrative and was subsequently struck-off.

The mRNA vaccines for Covid-19 were indeed fast-tracked through approvals - not surprising in the a global pandemic - but were still throughly tested for their ability to reduce serious illness and were very effective. The number of people who suffered adverse affects, compared with the number of people helped is tiny.

You'll remember, of course that vaccines weren't and aren't compulsory. I was privileged to work at a vaccine hub during the first lock down - in charge of managing the queues of people who had booked in to get a jab.