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[–] jacktherippah 87 points 11 months ago (4 children)

While it is annoying to people like you and me, this is a good thing for the average user. Your average downloads folder probably contains sensitive information that shouldn't be visible to apps. Same with Android/data. Locking it down is annoying for sure, but it's admittedly a good privacy&security measure.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

If the average user was more occupied dealing with identity theft they'd have less time to spread misinformation on Facebook and Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Even if it's blocked for the average user, it'd still be awesome if we could circumvent it with adb. I've used KDE Connect to access my phone remotely for a long time, and now that feature is useless.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Exactly.

I have often found malware apps with all sorts of permission on my relatives phones which suddenly started to lag alot. These folders can be easily exploited by malware apps, so its kinda good.

[–] Placid 54 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I THINK THIS HAS TO DO WITH APP PERMISSIONS. IF YOUR APP NEEDS A PLACE TO READ/WRITE FILES, IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP IT OUT OF YOUR DOWNLOADS FOLDER THAT COULD CONTAIN SENSITIVE INFORMATION LIKE BANK STATEMENTS OR OTHER THINGS. YOU DON'T WANT SOME RANDOM APP LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT ENDS UP IN YOUR DOWNLOADS FOLDER!!!

GET RILED ABOUT GIVING THESE GREEDY DATA SNOOPING APPS THE LEAST PERMISSION POSSIBLE!!

[–] glimse 41 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The mildly infuriating part of this post is OP thinking that his consumer phone OS was made just for them and not millions of tech-illiterate people.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I would be okay with an off button in the developer options, hidden from those people

[–] echo64 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Then, the scam apps will just come with instructions to turn that feature off

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well sounds like they didn't go far enough then, they should cut all internet access so that users don't accidentally download malicious apps!

A user that wants full control of their own device should have that option available. There is no good reason Android makes it difficult to access its data folder for example for users that do want to mess around with that stuff.

[–] echo64 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think there should be space for an i-know-what-im-doing. But I think we can all agree that limiting the damage that can be done to normal people who just want a device to do normal stuff on is a good thing.

This level of hyperbole isn't a useful discussion, and I would hope, would be left at reddit rather than infesting lemmy too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Well for me it is not really that much of a hyperbole, I consider being able to access the files on your own device pretty much a necessity. Yes it is absolutely no problem that protections like this are enabled out of the box, but it should all be optional, even if that process is kind of difficult (disabling by connecting to a computer and doing some sort of configuration for example).

Maybe I'm just upset because an update recently broke Android/data access and forced me to look for a new workaround for 30 minutes (to access my own files on the device I supposedly own!)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

You need to tap 7 times on a random UI element, deep down in a settings menu. There is no way any instructions could direct a non-techy to do that, even if the non-techy wanted to.

[–] glimse 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I was done when I saw all caps.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I understand the security implications, but I think I should at least have a say about what happens on my own phone

The app in question is popular and open source. My SD card's downloads folder is also unused and empty, as you can see. There is absolutely zero risk here

[–] Nusm 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But….. if you’re allowed to install into the downloads folder, then it wouldn’t be unused and empty….. ?

Is this Schrödinger’s file system?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

OP isn't trying to install into the downloads folder; they're trying to grant an app access to the downloads folder to read and write data.

[–] Nusm -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But..... if they write data into that folder, it wouldn't be unused and empty...... ?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

An app can't steal sensitive information from itself

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why not just state what the app is, would make a lot more sense when you make it clear why it is required

[–] Placid -2 points 11 months ago

SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TO START DOWNLOADIN PICTURES OF MOTORCYCLES AND BAMS!

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

Sounds like you're part of the group they're protecting if you refuse to understand and value the need for permission management ;)

Unlucky!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is so every app can only read it's own subfolder. Unless you think it's better that advertisers and app developers can have access to 100% of your personal files

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I wish I could at least create a folder on my microSD card for these apps but no.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

There's nothing wrong with this lol

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (13 children)

You should definitely campaign against seatbelt laws

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Just curious, as a rooted phone user is there any way to force this to allow you to use downloads?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

would you still be insulted if it said "only folders can be created in the root directory"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

No storage restrictions.
Can remove it.
https://github.com/Xposed-Modules-Repo/com.github.dan.nostoragerestrict

Storage isolation.
More control over exactly what folders apps can see/use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=moe.shizuku.redirectstorage

Shamiko.
One of my favorite magisk mods. It makes ot so apps in the deny list can still be messed with.
https://github.com/LSPosed/LSPosed.github.io/releases

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was expecting an important folder but the Download folder???

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How is downloads folder not important? For most people this is literally the biggest folder of files containing everything they ever downloaded, and it may also include downloads from messengers, e.g. Whatsapp and Telegram.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You just answered your own question.

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