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    [–] [email protected] 134 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Hand starts shaking when he can't update once an hour.

    [–] ritchie 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)
    [–] badbytes 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Knees weak, as update not ready.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    There's vomit in this cron job already

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

    He's nervous. But on the surface he looks calm and ready to retry.

    [–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    I started my Linux journey in the 90's with Red Hat Halloween. I'm sick and tired of troubleshooting and Debian based distros have been fully painless. Those of you learning your craft should absolutely try to manage things like Arch, just leave my old and tired ass be and I'll sit here with my old kernel and cheer you on.

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    [–] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Whenever you get bored:

    ~$ sudo docker run -it --rm archlinux bash
    [root@5452124778b3 /]# pacman -Syu
    :: Synchronizing package databases...
     core downloading...
     extra downloading...
    :: Starting full system upgrade...
    resolving dependencies...
    
    [–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Its easier to use distrobox with podman

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

    Could be. I know docker and this looked like a nail.

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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Wait...is that all it takes to install arch in a docker container? Does this include a GUI or is it for terminal Haxxorz only?

    [–] deathmetal27 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Terminal only. Though in theory you should be able to expose a port to access an X or Wayland session remotely to use a GUI, but I haven't tried this.

    [–] CeeBee 3 points 11 months ago

    You're basically describing DistroBox, which does exactly that. It's amazing.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Yes. It even pulls the image for you if you don't have it.

    [–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    There's the old saying that Debian is available in three flavours: Stale, rusting and broken.

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    All of which are quite stable.

    [–] Phrodo_00 1 points 11 months ago

    Stable in the distro context refers to how often packages change. Sid (which is the one that's broken in that) is not that. The other 2 are stable in that sense, but older software can sometimes be shaky on newer hardware.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

    broken saying

    FTFY

    [–] bazzett 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I really like Debian, but for some reason my not-new-laptop didn't liked it. Issues with suspend, the WiFi and the NVME drive made me to nuke it last Wednesday and in its place I installed Fedora, which seems to play better with the hardware. At least I don't have problems with it in my desktop.

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    If you're running Debian stable, your hardware was probably too new for the kernel. Unless they changed their development paradigm when I last ran it, stable is always 2-3 years behind mainline Linux software aside from security patches. It's one of the key reasons why it's so stable.

    See the Don't Suffer from Shiny Stuff Syndrome on the official wiki.

    [–] bazzett 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I mean, my laptop is a Dell from 2018-2019 with a 8th gen Core i5, so I don't think is too "new" 🤷🏻‍♂️.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

    That's surprising. Dell should have good Linux driver support, seeing as they offer Ubuntu pre-installed in some markets.

    Saying that, we have work issued Dell Precision mobile workstations and there are constantly hardware and driver issues under Windows, where you'd expect things to work just fine...

    • the internal microphone not working (handy for meetings!)
    • the 3.5mm combo jack not working (ah, great, no backup for when the internal microphone stops working)
    • the battery handshake failing, causing the machine to not charge, stay stuck in a low performance mode, and constantly pop up Windows notifications saying the battery is not genuine
    • the presence sensor locking the laptop while you're literally working it

    Now I use a USB headset, disabled the presence sensor, and reboot the laptop repeatedly until the battery is detected as genuine

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Go to debian-testing. Your dayli updates are back too

    [–] bazzett 4 points 11 months ago

    Been there, done that. It wasn't a bad experience, but also not a good one.

    [–] lodaket 2 points 11 months ago

    A testing/sid hybrid is awesome on my hardware. These guides are pretty useful for keeping things sane:

    [–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Can I talk about our lord and saviour, NixOS, in these parts?

    [–] blotz 10 points 11 months ago

    I've tried nix and its just not it. Its got cool ideas tho!

    [–] NateNate60 11 points 11 months ago

    Well, Debian Sid is rolling-release if that's your liking

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    As a Debian user I agree with Loius Rossmann's sage advice.

    Edit: (make sure you enable unattended security upgrades at least so you can pretend that you only update once every few months)

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    For those missing context, Rossman uses a software that helps view the layout of Mac hardware... and it breaks literally constantly.

    [–] Ibaudia 9 points 11 months ago

    That made me laugh at my work desk ty

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    Freebsd be like: where getopt

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    Specifically, OpenBasedSecureDistro, with a desktop environment, for gaming

    Please send help, thanks

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    i use void linux and apparently it is a stable rolling release

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yeah and I'm a small-headed Arch user

    [–] Magister 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Use MX Linux instead, it's all the power of Debian with up to date everything.

    [–] Lime66 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    It is? I don't see a mention of that on there website

    [–] Magister 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Well, I have kernel 6.5.10, latest Firefox (in .deb) etc

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    [–] bruhduh 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Are you me?) P.s been daily driving arch for 5 years and now switching back to Debian

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    Never had any issues with Arch