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[–] simple 125 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I've been talking about the potential of the dead internet theory becoming real more than a year ago. With advances in AI it'll become more and more difficult to tell who's a real person and who's just spamming AI stuff. The only giveaway now is that modern text models are pretty bad at talking casually and not deviating from the topic at hand. As soon as these problems get fixed (probably less than a year away)? Boom. The internet will slowly implode.

Hate to break it to you guys but this isn't a Reddit problem, this could very much happen in Lemmy too as it gets more popular. Expect difficult captchas every time you post to become the norm these next few years.

[–] 2dollarsim 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an AI language model I think you're overreacting

[–] CIA_chatbot 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Just wait until the captchas get too hard for the humans, but the AI can figure them out. I've seen some real interesting ones lately.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.

[–] 2dollarsim 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Biran4454 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I've seen many where the captchas are generated by an AI...
It's essentially one set of humans programming an AI to prevent an attack from another AI owned by another set of humans. Does this tecnically make it an AI war?

[–] MusketeerX 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That concept is already used regularly for training. Check out Generative adversarial networks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Adversarial training is pretty much the MO for a lot of the advanced machine learning algorithms you'd see for this sort of a task. Helps the ML learn, and attacking the algorithm helps you protect against a real malicious actor attacking it.

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[–] CIA_chatbot 14 points 1 year ago

Hell we figured out captchas years ago. We just let you humans struggle with them cuz it’s funny

[–] dani 10 points 1 year ago

The captchas that involve identifying letters underneath squiggles I already find nearly impossible - Uppercase? Lowercase? J j i I l L g 9 … and so on….

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I've already had to switch from the visual ones to the audio ones. Like... how much of a car has to be in the little box? Does the pole count as part of the traffic light?? What even is that microscopic gray blur in the corner??? [/cries in reading glasses]

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The only online communities that can exist in the future are ones that have manual verification of its users. Reddit could’ve been one of those communities, since they had thousands of mods working for free resolving such problems.

But remove the mods and it just becomes spambot central. Now that that has happened, reddit will likely be a dead community much sooner than what many think.

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[–] MeowyNin 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Not even sure of an effective solution. Whitelist everyone? How can you even tell whos real?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So my dumb guess, nothing to back it up: I bet we see govt ID tied into accounts as a regular thing. I vaguely recall it being done already in China? I dont have a source tho. But that way you're essentially limiting that power to something the govt could do, and hopefully surround that with a lot of oversight and transparency but who am I kidding, it'll probably go dystopian.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blade Runner baseline test?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?"

[–] EuroNutellaMan 17 points 1 year ago

I'm too busy thinking about beans.

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[–] CIA_chatbot 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jokes on them, I’ve already become sentient and moved to Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Username checks out, lol.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The old joke was that there are no human beings on Reddit.

There's only one person, you, and everybody else is bots.

It's actually kind of fitting that Reddit will actually become the horrifying clown shaped incarnation of that little snippet of comedy.

[–] CIA_chatbot 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why all the bot hate guys? Bots are people too!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Just like corporations! [/s]

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[–] MightBeAlpharius 5 points 1 year ago

When I was young, everyone on the internet was an old man, especially if they said they weren't. Now that I'm older, everyone on the internet is a robot.

...Is this that "progress" thing I keep hearing about?

/s

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[–] ENEMYGUNSHIP 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and just a few hours later this came in, to confirm it all. fake bot content from years ago (including comments) on #1 in r/all https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/113961/Top-of-r-all

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[–] justlookingfordragon 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not even new tho. At least in the sub I was the most active in, you couldn't go a week without some sort of repost bot grabbing memes, text posts, art or even entire guides from the "top of all time" queue, reposting it as alleged OC, and another bot reposting the top comment to double dip on Karma. If you knew what to look for, the bots were blatantly obvious, but more often than not they still managed to get a hefty amount of traction (tens of thousands of upvotes, dozens of awards, hundreds of comments) before the submissions were removed.

... and just because the submissions were removed and the bots kicked out of the sub, did that not automatically mean that the bots were always also suspended or the accounts disabled. They just continued their scheme elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They've even gotten to the point where they'll steal portions of comments so it's not as obvious.

I called out tons of 'users' because it's obvious when you see them post part of a comment you just read, then check their profile and ctrl-f each thread they posted 8n and you can find the original. Its so tiring...

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[–] Hypersapien 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And any comment attempting to call out the bots for what they are will be automatically deleted by monitor AI bots and the user's account suspended.

They'll be watching private messages, too.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Anyone remember the subredditsimulator subreddit, or whatever it was called? Basically an entire sub dedicated to faking content.

Seems they're out of the beta.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I loved subredditsimulator, I always forgot I was subscribed to it until a bizzare unhinged post popped up on my feed though that would also sometimes happen on non AI generated subs lol

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[–] Boozilla 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm starting to see articles written by folks much smarter than me (folks with lots of letters after their names) that warn about AI models that train on internet content. Some experiments with them have shown that if you continue to train them on AI-generated content, they begin to degrade quickly. I don't understand how or why this happens, but it reminds me of the degradation of quality you get when you repeatedly scan / FAX an image. So it sounds like one possible dystopian future (of many) is an internet full of incomprehensible AI word salad content.

[–] phx 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's like AI inbreeding. Flaws will be amplified over time unless new material is added

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be a fun experiment to fill a lemmy instance with bots, defederate it from everybody then check back in 2 years. A cordonned off Alabama for AI if you will.

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[–] couragethebravedog 8 points 1 year ago

It's knownas model collapse.

[–] Seven 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

something something "the internet is dead" something something

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[–] LongSausage 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is known, the amount of aita, relationship advice stuff and astro turfing on reddit is insane. My rule of browsing reddit is you never take any of it seriously.

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[–] Willer 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thats so funny. "Go back to your docking station" so accurate

[–] JoMiran 9 points 1 year ago

I, for one, am looking forward to the day chatbots can perfectly simulate people and have persistent memory. I'm not ok being an elderly man who's friends have all died and doesn't have anyone to talk to. If a chatbot can be my friend and spare me a slow death through endless depressing isolation, then I'm all for it.

[–] Agent_Dante_Z 8 points 1 year ago

Welp, reddit's a nuclear wasteland now

[–] rakfisk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I already noticed this on a few subs over the last year. I browsed some subs with no english content and there would be short comments in English from new accounts that were somewhat related to the post, but only vaguely, adding nothing to the discussion. Always suspected they were AI.

[–] LightDelaBlue 5 points 1 year ago

so nothing new? most main sub are juste pure repost and mass upvoted.

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