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I love Neal Asher's books, found him a long time ago in one of those "year's best" collections of short stories from the library (though the ones with fantasy and horror were always the best, I think I read every single collection for every year and found so many good writers that way.)

They are full of action, good characters and worlds and ideas, sweeping and huge settings. Feels almost more like watching a movie to read them.

Who among us likes these action packed stories?

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[–] Izzy 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Quantum Magician and The Final Architecture are great space operas in my opinion. They both have really large stakes, a large number of factions and species with varying politics and exciting space combat. They are both incredibly different though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to second The Final Architecture. Lots of action, lots of fleshed out alien species, a good solid crew to follow. It checks all the boxes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just about half way through of Lords Of Uncreation and wondering where to go next… Kind of don’t want to finish so am rationing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you read Children of Time? It's also Tchaikovsky, it doesn't really get space-opera-y until the third book, Children of Memory but it's soooooo good. Soooooo good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes but only when it came out, so I’m about ready to go back and then follow on with the other two :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Children of Ruin feels like it's just going to be a rehash at the beginning. Stick with it, though. It takes a drastic departure into horror and asks some really interesting questions.

[–] RBWells 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you, these look fantastic.

[–] Call_Me_Maple 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Space Opera has got to be my favorite genre, but it feels like we have so precious few that actually nail it. Mass Effect, and Star Wars are ones that instantly come to mind, Starship Troopers is an excellent piece that also falls into the same vein.

[–] derioderi0 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might be the first time I’ve ever seen Starship Troopers defined as space opera, it pretty much kickstarted the military scifi genre.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There’s a close relationship, or at least some significant overlap/intersection between military SF and space opera.

Weber’s Honor Harrington series would be considered both. Likewise, Tanya Huff’s Confederation novels are unabashedly military SF, but within a decidedly space opera overall frame that is progressively revealed through the course of the series.

Some space opera series, like Bujold’s Vorkosigan Saga cross back and forth across diverse sub genres - some military SF in some, political space opera in others along with some social and genetic engineering here and romance there.

CJ Cherryh’s Alliance-Union Universe isn’t primarily military SF, but it’s in the mix.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Some of my all time favorites are the Spinward Fringe series by Randolph Lalonde, The Intrepid Saga from the Aeon 14 universe, and the Imperial Radch Trilogy from Ann Leckie.

A Memory Called Empire was really good, but it wasn't a space battle shoot-em-up, more like large scale political intrigue and murder mystery.

@Izzy brought up Tchaikovsky's Final Achitecture and @ScrumblesPAbernathy mentioned Children of Time series, loved those. Right now I'm on the second of his Bioforms books, Bear Head. After that it's back to Idris and The Lords of Uncreation.

While it probably doesn't qualify as space opera, I have to throw in The Murderbot Diaries by Martha Wells. I just fucking love Murderbot and ART.

There's always the Bobiverse, The Culture Series, and The Cluster Saga, too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Anyone who hasn't read The Murderbot Diaries should read The Murderbot Diaries right now!

[–] IonAddis 1 points 1 year ago

...I had to stop and wonder why Murderbot wasn't space opera, but I suppose it's too close and personal and doesn't have the sweeping scope.

Still, insofar as sci-fi goes, it's very accessable and modern and relevant.

[–] derioderi0 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Vorkosigan Saga by Bujold is considered to be some of the best space opera in the entire genre, definitely recommend giving it a try. Start with Warriors Apprentice if Shards of Honor isn’t to your liking.

[–] RBWells 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, how could I forget those! Have read the whole series 3 times. It's incredible. Shards of Honor is wonderful. All of the books are fantastic.

[–] IonAddis 1 points 1 year ago

I jived best with Warrior's Apprentice, but my friend, who reads more romance (I generally don't read it), liked Shards of Honor just fine.

The series as a whole is top-tier sci-fi, but Shards of Honor is definitely a romance in SFF trappings, and one of Bujold's earlier books (which, to me, shows, as she's still honing her chops).

[–] PsychedSy 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really love the Culture series.

[–] IonAddis 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I need to get off my butt and read them. I always keep getting distracted by something else though.

[–] PsychedSy 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My favorites are distributed around, and I tend to read in publish order so I have to power through some of the slower ones. They're insanely good, though.

[–] neutronicturtle 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To me many of the culture books start really slow/on the boring side but then they pick up and get really good. I really like how they often describe the culture not directly but through interaction with others.

[–] PsychedSy 1 points 1 year ago

The payoff at the end of some are so fucking epic. They're probaly my favorite book series.

[–] IonAddis 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Publishing order is best with any series, barring Discworld. Authors learn more about their series as they write them, and going out of order as a reader sometimes gives you answers to mysteries before you were ever introduced to a mystery.

[–] PsychedSy 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both full Discworld readthroughs were publish order lol. The last go round included Shepherds Crown.

And discworld has so much going on it prolly only matters for individual series. I have a cat named Eskarina and I'm sure a lot of readers barely remember her.

[–] IonAddis 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Discworld is the one exception for me because early Pratchett is much weaker, and he bashes one of my OTHER favorite authors which makes me frowny. And he has coherant sub-series with their own little casts of characters and it's easy to jump in with those. (I started with Guards! Guards! and the Night Watch and went forward/backwards from there.)

Everything else though I read publish order, though.

[–] PsychedSy 1 points 1 year ago

Try Malazan. Also you can message me for a library.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Alastair Reynolds and Peter F. Hamilton.

[–] WolfhoundRO 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, the favorite of the genre to date are the Mass Effect games, Star Wars (the good ones, at least), Asimov's Foundation books, Stanislav Lem's Solaris book and, even if it's more grimdark than space opera, Warhammer 40k. I still have to delve into The Expanse but I don't have the time yet

[–] IonAddis 2 points 1 year ago

I found I clicked more with The Expanse as the TV show than the books.

Some series are like that for me. I read so much more than I watch shows, but some stories I don't click with until they end up as a movie or TV series.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For shows, Battlestar Galactica is always great. I just started watching Caprica and loving it so far. It might not be an “opera”, but it does so much to fill out the Battlestar Galactica universe.

I also just started reading The Expanse series and would definitely recommend it, even for someone like me who’s not an avid reader.

[–] IonAddis 1 points 1 year ago

I liked Caprica a lot, and wish it'd gone on longer.

I actually think it was TOO sci-fi for some, though.

[–] Olap 2 points 1 year ago

Saga of the Seven Suns was good from my recollection. I wonder when he'll revisit, Kevin J Anderson is prolific

[–] Mbourgon 2 points 9 months ago

There are so much fantastic space opera out there. Some high-points for me, but depends on what you want out of a space opera:

  • Alistair Reynolds, “revelation space” and its’ series
  • James Alan Gardner: “expendable” and its’ series
  • Timothy Zahn: lord, he has probably dozens
  • Allan Cole & Chris Bunch: Sten series
  • Simon R. Green: Deathstalker series
  • Alan Dean Foster: A Call To Arms and trilogy
  • Brandon Sanderson
  • John Scalzi did a trilogy a couple of years ago
  • John Varley’s “Seven Worlds”(?) series.
  • Vernor Vinge: Fire Upon the Deep
  • Ken MacLeod’s “Fall Revolution “ series
  • Kim Stanley Robinson “Mars” Series
  • The Expanse
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

isnt Expeditionary force a space opera? at least Skippy would like it to be.

[–] Ranolden 1 points 1 year ago

Consider Phlebas is a favorite of mine for this reason. Two agents on opposite sides of a war trying to reach the same place and capture the same thing. The climactic battle at the end is amazing, and not just because I love trains