Man we really fucked this place up
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Slave. The word is slave. "Forced labor" sounds like it's downplaying the severity.
I don't mean to downplay the severity, but there are procedural differences. Slavery was pro forma banned at the time. Effectively, I agree, for all practical purposes of the folk in chains, it was slavery.
Didn’t know Australians still had slavery so late in history.
Formally, it wasn't slavery. Effectively, it was.
I'm seeing chains on necks, looks like slavery to me. Even if they were prisoners, that is inhumane.
Fucking greasy to think it's so close to recent history.
The current US prison system is effectively legalised slavery, and is a big reason why US system doesn't do reform and incentives recedivism
Still literally in the US constitution. 13th:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
And it only took the bloodiest civil war in history, a war we're still paying the price for not going the extra mile and abolishing the southern states and replacing them with Union members.
Such is the price to end slavery in America and advance the worldwide abolitionist movement.
And I wish federal occupation had lasted significantly longer, enough to replace the older generation with a enlightened, Yankee way of thinking and attitude. That or go the route of Jacob Smith and just shoot about everyone above the age of ten and sell all the land for cheap.
doesn't count if you don't think those wearing chains are people.
What gets me is that yeah that's their excuse, but if someone treated, say, an orangutan or a baboon like this I'd think that was pretty fucked up too. We were so gross. We still are (dog fighting, circus elephants etc) but the cruelty that we're capable of without what is essentially moral peer pressure, is chilling to think about. Even today we fight tooth and nail against moral progress and treating everyone with respect.
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They didn't even class indigenous Australians as people, until late 1960's. They were considered fauna.
That’s a myth that needs to end.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650
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America still had slavery in the 1940s when the last slave was freed (might've been later than that) and it still has slavery in the form of prison labor
And we still have slavery. It is legal per the 13th amendment. Disgusting.
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hahahahaha you think this is late???
Aboriginals we’re even denied a seat in politics just in the last few months. I remember being shocked they voted in Tony abbot ..who for years screamed about women’s menstruation in parliament. Australia is super backwards.
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Such an evil smile.
And he might have ended up being a standup dude in another time.
That’s something that I think about often.
The average intelligence of the population of the world isn’t that great. Most people accept whatever reality is instilled in them. If you take a little baby and raise it up to think of some people as animals, they’ll probably never question it, and being surrounded only by people who accept that reality, they’ll never have a reason to question it. I very rarely meet a person who has ever really questioned their reality. It always surprised me when I do.
Most abolitionists came from a world where they were they weren’t exposed to slavery, so they were able to question it. Even then, only around 2% of the population were abolitionists, they just fought really hard for their cause until it rose up high enough to actually be considered for action.
I’m not even putting myself into that small group of people smart enough to question their reality. If I hadn’t grown up with the internet there’s a good chance I’d be a preacher in a Pentecostal holiness church somewhere. That small handful of people who question their reality help spread their questions to the idiot masses.
That’s why I admire people who fight for positive change above all other people. They fight an uphill battle daily. Sometimes they win big and I’m grateful they do.
I have to agree here from experience.
One of my kids came out as gay. I grew up in a very homophobic environment in the 70s. I would quite often called timid people puffs etc. Sometimes around my kids, because that was how I grew up. You discouraged timid behaviour to stop them getting bullied. Realising one of your kids is gay was a real eye opener for me as to how bad these phrases are.
I would never treat a gay person differently. I just saw it as an expression that was common when I was young, and also in the environment I worked in. For context, I used to play squash with a guy from work, who everyone was convinced was gay. He actually got married in a heterosexual relationship a few years later, but whether he was or wasn't never bothered me. This ofc doesn't excuse the practise, it just shows how warped I was.
General Sherman early in life was quite alright with slavery and a casual racist against Black people, and later became an ardent anti-racist (at least, anti-racist with regards to anti-Black racism). He noted, some years after the US CIvil War, when asked by younger folk how so many people could have blithely accepted slavery, that man is more a creature of habit than originality.
It's crazy to me that people can look at this picture and then immediately start arguing about semantics.
Every one of those people said it's effectively slavery.
He looks way too fucking smug
No John Browns in Australia.
Even today, only cursory recognition that the Aboriginal people remain excluded from their own lands and ways
Hey you could get a token reservation increased policing a nation that thinks themselves native and have since 1740 at the very least.
Australia was founded on using convicts as labourers and this still exists today, except now we pay them $1 an hour.
That enormous cockhole Rolf Harris sung about this in Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport like it was no big deal. And it was a huge hit and no one said anything.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the lyrics you wrote are the only lyrics to the entire song that I know, and I've always thought it was just some weird gibberish. Granted, I've never actively listened to it or sought it out, I've only heard it in passing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_Me_Kangaroo_Down,_Sport
There was an offensive verse in the original song, later deleted. But this is far from the most offensive thing about Rolf Harris.
Holy fucking shit…
What is with the odd looking rib cages; I guess these are torture burn/whip marks, as they don't look like regular ribs at all?
What fine, upstanding men there were in days gone by.
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