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[–] LillianVS 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why I'm on Lemmy.World. I made a new account as soon as I found out they were removing posts from people for orientalism. It's great the modlog is so transparent. The greatest thing about having instances run by different people unassociated with each other is you can just do that... go to a different instance where things are much more aligned to you morally.

You have less to worry about here than you do on a place like say Reddit where they can do it pretty discretely and you'd be none the wiser until it happened to you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Looking at lemmy.world/instances, it explicitly federates with lemmygrad.ml

Kinda worrying to me that the two biggest instances link to the biggest tankie instances.

[–] s4if 17 points 1 year ago

You can just block all lemmygrad's community, and if their users bothering other instance's community, let the mod block them. lemmyworld is free to choose which instances to federate like you are free to block all user/community you dislike. That is the beauty of federation. cheers.

[–] aski3252 14 points 1 year ago

The instance federates with pretty much all other instances as far as I understand.. If you have a problem with that, simply join another instance that blocks instances you don't like. Or better yet, create your own instances with your own rules and block any instance you don't like..

There is no reason to cry and do nothing when the entire point of lemmy is about giving you the power..

[–] c2h6 6 points 1 year ago

You can block subs yourself, right?

I see lemmy.world as the most unrestricted and neutral instance now.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

The ideological leaning of the developers means nothing on a federated network. What you care about is knowing the ideology of who runs your instance.

You can just as easily fall into a right wing echo chamber by joining the wrong instance. And one that censors any kind of pro Russia or pro China sentiment, which is equally bad, in my opinion.

Propaganda can come from both sides. Just keep your eyes open.

[–] MyOpinion 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My thoughts are that you should use an instance that is in sync with your ethics. That is the freedom you have with opensource.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago
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[–] gary 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To me, this is like Richard Stallman and certain reprehensible actions and opinions.

Just like with Stallman and his contributions to software, I can justify using Lemmy to myself due to it being open source and the devs not directly financially profiting from the spread of Lemmy (although it certainly raises their public profile).

It's definitely unfortunate that they're Tankies.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well, lemmygrad for sure is run by tankies, that's kinda the point. Most of it doesn't matter. It's not like they can control anything that happens on other instances.

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[–] Marko 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That was the main reason why I switched to lemmy.world; never looked back. Plus, Ruud (the admin of this instance, runs also a Mastodon instance) and actually upgrades the server so it can handle all new traffic. Lemmy.ml is often down because it can't take the heavy load.

[–] Halfclick 31 points 1 year ago

There's a public modlog at the bottom of the page; you can use that to see what mods are doing on whichever instance you're on. If there's any truth to that, you'll be able to find proof there.

[–] mcepl 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t like it, don’t read it. The price of freedom is that it is freedom for everybody even for those you (or I) don’t think should be free.

[–] surewhynotlem 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the point of censorship is: if THEY don't like it, YOU don't read it because you don't know it exists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

You can see what instances your server has blocked at {instance_url}/instances, there's also a link in the footer. If you're unhappy with your home instance blocking too much content, you can always make an account elsewhere and sub to the same communities as before. Account export is a feature that's currently requested on the Lemmy Github so maybe that process will become easier soon.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

I have more important things on my mind than internet drama. Don't really care

[–] croobat 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a Mexican I've been dealing with stupid cartel blogs my whole life, I don't really care anymore. I just vibe with the 99.9% of people that is sane.

[–] Kasrean 7 points 1 year ago

What do those cartel blogs look like?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] impulse 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I joined via lemmy.world because at the time the stats just looked favorable, with the limited knowledge I had (uptime mostly).

As someone with experience in software engineering you learn to differentiate between the product and the dev.

It's especially easy with Lemmy, because every instance has its own vibe it seems. Would I join lemmygrad or how that instance is called? Probably not, but because it's the users who in the end define the direction of an instance I see no problem.

Freedom of speech is important and if all those tanky instances are about is their agenda, they will end up in an echo chamber sooner or later, as more regular people migrate and simply drown them out.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I just won't post on the tankie instances like I didn't post on the tankie subreddits. And if the instance I'm on starts censoring like that, I'll make an account on a different one.

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[–] Gort 21 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of other instances to join if you don't like the .ml servers' opinions. From what I can see, all tastes are catered for. Just find another server.

And, no, I'm not affiliated with the .ml instances nor am I a so-called Tankie.

[–] lhx 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Please excuse my ignorance: what’s a β€œtanky/tankies”?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Derisive term for communist authoritarian who support left wing ideology and also state violence to maintain their power.

Common themes include whitewashing Mao and Stalin history, and dismissing current state sanctioned violence against minorities in β€œcommunist” countries.

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[–] fubo 17 points 1 year ago

The term originates from controversy among UK Communist labor-unionists over support of the Soviet Union, in its violent occupation of dissenting Communist countries Hungary and Czechoslovakia β€” when Khrushchev sent tanks to suppress popular revolutions against Soviet control of their countries.

Notably, this was Communist-on-Communist violence: the revolutionary Hungarian and Czechoslovak regimes were still run by their Communist Parties. Thus "tankies" were, originally, Communist labor-unionists who endorse or tolerate violent suppression of other Communists to secure the power of the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

More recently it's been used to refer to supporters of authoritarianism in China, which is associated with tanks by way of the 1989 Tienanmen Square massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

[–] BeautifulMind 9 points 1 year ago

It's a term mostly used to distinguish left-authoritarians from left-anti-authoritarians, particularly in the context of the cold war West. 'Tankies' notably tend to defend their left-ideology by talking up major authoritarian or totalitarian regimes (like Stalin's or Mao's) that also called themselves Socialist (despite such claims being problematic in doctrinaire terms). Originally used to describe the self-proclaimed communist/Stalin apologist, the modern tankie supports pretty much any authoritarian regime that opposes the West

[–] majkeli 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] ulu_mulu 18 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Who cares? We're not on lemmy.ml, are we?

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[–] JerkyIsSuperior 15 points 1 year ago

"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" - John Gilmore

[–] Protegee9850 12 points 1 year ago

Well today I had someone support the Tienanmen Square massacre, another say the war of aggression in Ukraine is a denazification campaign, argue that nothing is happening untoward to Uighur's in China and assert that Pussy Riot "is a CIA op" lol. Yeah. It's over run with brain dead tankies. They suck. That instance will get defederated eventually if Lemmy actually takes off, and good riddance

[–] Thekingoflorda 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Do you have any proof of that? Just curious where you got that from (:

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was some discussion just before the Reddit influx, actually: https://lemmy.ml/post/1167199 Edit: Also read through the history of Lemmy for some info on the motivations. I have no problem with the admins of their instance running it however they want, and they made a really cool project and I appreciate that for the most part they do not have a problem with people who disagree with them. I think people should think twice before re-creating all of their favorite reddit subs on that instance though.

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[–] inko 9 points 1 year ago

I read this on mastodon talking about it

[–] kiwifoxtrot 8 points 1 year ago

This is why I chose to join lemmy.world vs. the main instance.

[–] Mane25 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I know the lemmygrad.ml instance claims to be Marxist but I don't think they're generally taken that seriously (and not to be confused with lemmy.ml) - is that what you're confusing? Apart from that, the federal nature of Lemmy means it doesn't really matter what the creator's political beliefs are.

[–] Zak 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think people are concerned because both lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml are operated by the Lemmy developers. At a minimum, that means I'd prefer to avoid communities based on lemmy.ml and favor servers with less spicy admins.

There is, however a popular idea that software tends to reflect the values of its authors. Mastodon seems to be "Twitter for nice people" or thereabouts. If Lemmy is "Reddit for militant communists", that's a problem for attracting an audience beyond militant communists because most people don't want to talk to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I don't think the creators of the software get to dictate the culture here. that would be like saying the developers of PHPBB or InvisionPowerBoard dictate what communities i run on thier projects (they dont).

Preview of the future is that it will be many federations with some bridges rather than one big federation, because of splits and issues like this.

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