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[–] BombOmOm 54 points 1 year ago

It's pretty understandable. Many companies do not want to use their platform to give terrorists a voice.

[–] afunkysongaday 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Title is a bit misleading. Those channels are not blocked on Android in general, but only on the play store version of telegram. Download from F-Droid instead and that's that.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I can do without terrorist channels.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the principal of the matter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you feel the same about Nazi channels?

[–] avater 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd be upset if Nazi accounts were banned?

[–] avater 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, of course not? Did I get the question wrong?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone said they were okay with these accounts being banned. You replying "it's the principle of the matter" made it sound like you were disagreeing with those bans in free speech or anti-"corporate" censorship like many other commenters were saying. So I asked if you were okay with them banning Nazi accounts, which you agreed with so maybe I misunderstood?

[–] GuidoMancipioni 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a different person, dude

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Whoops my bad

[–] Squizzy 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not sure how I feel about this, Google isn't the law but it is their platform...but the app is the platform that hosts them and they haven't been forced to remove any other groups.

[–] nezbyte 27 points 1 year ago

Telegram has removed terrrorist groups such as ISIS before. See this 2019 Wired article

[–] seejur 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the other hand Facebook doing nothing literally spiralled Myanmar into ethnic cleansing.

So sometimes a bit of moderation is better

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is already doing ethnic cleansing so... I wouldn't really call this a win

[–] seejur 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

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[–] burchalka 9 points 1 year ago

Same here. I think censorship is bad - but looks like Google really want to distance themselves from anything Hamas related, and even Telegram bosses who didn't bend for Russian government pressure (couple of years ago there was an attempt to control or block Telegram there) prefer to stay away from it...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

They're also legally liable for content on their app store, which is one of the big (maybe biggest) reasons they bother to monitor it so carefully. Their app store moderation is genuinely heavy-handed at the best of times, but it makes sense for them to distance themselves from Telegram in this case.

It also entirely makes sense that Telegram has only limited their changes to Android as a response. Apple customers are where the money is at anyway.

[–] AlmightySnoo 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good, Hamas terrorists and their apologists should not be given a platform.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Israel and their apologists should not be given one, either.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

This is just another parameter that will now be built into future chat software; no high level control over channels or groups by any central authority. The Internet will route around all obstacles.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They shouldn't submit to arbitrary censorship, even if I also disagree with Hamas, Google could do it to anyone they disagree with. Telegram should move to (or at least also be on, with an uncensored version) F-Droid.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you think blocking literal terrorists is "arbitrary censorship" then I don't even know what the fuck you are looking for in a society.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One where we treat HAMAS and IDF the same way

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Seek professional help then. Seriously, before you hurt someone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

They are. There's a FOSS version of Telegram on f-droid.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

This is why I don't use a messaging app that allows non-participants to control my conversations.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 5 points 1 year ago

Wow Google, that's pretty not evil of you!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hamas channels, or Hamas channels promoting violence?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First good thing Google has ever done.

[–] smolyeet 4 points 1 year ago

🙄 way to be over dramatic