I'm one of those who votes for Democrats, but increasingly want to see violence against our politicians, supreme court justices, and others who are not following the will of the people.
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Unfortunately this doesn't work in practice. Sporadic murders of high profile politicians end up causing a lot of fear and galvanizing public sentiment towards tough-on-crime and other fascist leaders. A wide-scale revolution is almost always co-opted by a strong, militant group that seeks to establish an autocracy afterwards. Often they are bankrolling the revolution. And if they don't exist at the time of revolution, it is inevitable they pop up to seize control afterwards.
Also, this is essentially Republicans' plans: Project 2025
Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the Executive Branch of the U.S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 United States presidential election.[1][2] Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit thousands to come to Washington, D.C., to replace existing employees to restructure the Executive Branch of the federal government as to further the agenda and policies of Donald Trump.[3] The plan would perform a quick takeover of the entire U.S. federal government under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory – a theory proposing the president of the United States have absolute power of the executive branch – upon inauguration.
I.e. a coup.
Unfortunately this doesn't work in practice. Sporadic murders of high profile politicians end up causing a lot of fear and galvanizing public sentiment towards tough-on-crime and other fascist leaders. A wide-scale revolution is almost always co-opted by a strong, militant group that seeks to establish an autocracy afterwards. Often they are bankrolling the revolution. And if they don't exist at the time of revolution, it is inevitable they pop up to seize control afterwards
so then wth are we supposed to do to fight against the descent into fascism?
Vote, organize, protest (not entirely legally). If a country falls to fascism or is getting close, there might not be enough the populace can do to stop it or resist. Both examples of Fascist Italy and Germany required outside intervention. We see a LOT of authoritarian countries with little chance at them getting out of it themselves.
Fighting a fascist country is mostly just playing into their hands. You need an organized resistance ready to setup a government that isn't just another authoritarian powerbase. Which is a tall order.
The real way to stop fascism: kill it in the cradle. Don't let it get to the point where a president or chancellor is executing the legislature and taking supreme executive authority.
A good way to stop fascism, is to stop voting for "lesser of two evils." Since that ensures every election creeps closer to fascism.
What do you propose then? The way our system is, there are really only 2 choices.
In a first past the post system, there can only be two parties, this is true. However it doesn't have to be these two Fascist Capitalist parties. Of course voting by itself does almost nothing, but refusing to vote for the two parties of Capital is the absolute least you can do. Who you choose to vote for as long as it is not the two parties of Capital is up to you. If you want to do more, there are plenty of orgs you can get involved in to help build a parallel support structure. Just make sure they aren't a non-profit, or a foundation led by some professional manager. If they are funded by a local government that's decent, if they are funded by a co-op that self-funds some other way, that is even better. But all of them require more effort then voting blue.
If you don't vote then the politicians don't care. They'll see your ambivalence as a sign that you think things are fine. Also look more at local elections more than big ones. They help more than you think. Primaries are where you're actually allow people left of 1980's Republicans get elected. There have been elections where I've been one of the 10 people voting. It really isn't hard to change elections if you're doing it right.
Also aren't most of the book burnings happening in multiple states because of just 10 people. Knowing how to vote and apply pressure is better than making some politician 20 minutes late because you pulled out a valve stem core.
Then you split the party vote and fascists win. That's how party politics work. You need to primary better candidates.
It worked recently in Japan when someone assassinated Abe.
It shifted government?
Short answer: Yes, significantly.
Thanks, that's terrifying.
handmaid's tale
true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country
Gee, I wonder where their loyalties lie ...
If you read further you can see.
Currently one-third of Republicans support violence as a means to save the country, compared with 22% of independents and 13% of Democrats, the survey found. More specifically, Republicans who have favorable views of Donald Trump were found to be "nearly three times as likely as Republicans who have unfavorable views of Trump" to support political violence.
So...
33% of republicans... and a much larger % of trump supporters?
And 13% of Dems, it's assume that 13% mean they won't resign themselves to peaceful protest if trump successfully steals the election.
13% recognizing the potential need for self-defense against Trump's jackbooted thugs.
When lying cheating and stealing doesn’t work, it’s a natural progression
How, after all this time, could people be more believing of the qannon bullshit?
Because its easier to believe there's a vast conspiracy out in the world that's wrecking your life than it is to admit your choices and personality make people not want to interact with you IRL, so the only real human interaction you get is with other crazy people on line that form an echo chamber and allow you to feel like you have some kind of power or insight into the randomness that is life.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Democrats were more likely to hold this view with 84% support, but supermajorities of Republicans and independent voters said they also agreed with that statement.
"I think the temperature is high and people feel the sense that the guardrails are down," Jones explained.
Currently one-third of Republicans support violence as a means to save the country, compared with 22% of independents and 13% of Democrats, the survey found.
Compared to past surveys, researchers also found an uptick in support for conspiracy theories among Americans — specifically QAnon.
The survey found that an overwhelming majority of Americans (94%) agree that "we should teach our children both the good and bad aspects of our history so that they can learn from the past," compared with just 4% who agree that "we should not teach children history that could make them feel uncomfortable or guilty about what their ancestors did in the past."
The survey also found that a majority of Americans trust public school teachers to select appropriate curriculum and they oppose the banning of books that discuss slavery.
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This is a really bad summary, FYI to those reading