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submitted 10 months ago by tsukii to c/[email protected]

I posted this question because I once saw a tweet that said something like:

"If you use adblock, you don't care about creator's point blank"

What is your opinion on this? Do you agree with them?

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[-] [email protected] 81 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Of course. And I'll continue to do so as long as advertisement is detrimental to my online experience. If it wastes my time by forcing me to watch an ad before a video, if it distracts me from reading a text because of animations, if it tries to scam or shock me, I'm better off blocking it. I'm not against advertisement as communication that a useful product or service exists, I'm against advertisement abuse and greed.

I'll happily pay for, donate to, or otherwise support services important to me that need and deserve it.

[-] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago

I use AdBlock (and SponsorBlock on YouTube, and a cookie whitelist and a JavaScript whitelist) because only I decide what to see on my screen.

[-] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago

If you, as a creator, choose to use advertising to monetize your content you don't respect the limited lifetime of the people consuming your content or their security or about the way the marketing and advertising industry is destroying our society, such as (not exhaustive, just off the top of my head right now)

  • building a surveillance economy, destroying privacy in the process
  • manipulating people into voting in certain ways that are harmful to them and others
  • protecting harmful products from scrutiny (e.g. tobacco, alcohol, products with too much sugar or fat or low quality ingredients, the car and oil industries, corporate climate change denial,...)
  • encouraging overconsumption both in terms of quantity and in terms of items or services they don't really need
  • destroying content platforms with their mantra "not advertiser friendly", leading to dystopian self-censorship on e.g. Youtube

And then there is the way internet advertising can spread malware and compromise the security of websites in general.

If you do want to monetize content in other ways there are models such as subscriptions or Patreon-style that are a lot more respectful of the user.

[-] Noedel 15 points 10 months ago

Absolutely. I understand things aren't for free, but if you make my experience subpar I'm blocking ads.

I wish more creators would make content available across more platforms.

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

I have been with this idea for a very long time. But over time all the platforms got more and more greedy and I had the feeling that my privacy got more and more invaded.

Since that time, I have an Adblock and use DDG.

Sorry content creators.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Adblockers are absolutely necessary because ads are a malware threat, never mind the scams and invasive popups. The cReAtOrS didn't care enough to ensure advertisements were safe, legitimate, or not horribly obnoxious so they did it to themselves.

I used to allow ads for certain sites but after malware attempts and scam ads, I block them across the board. If that upsets anybody, go whine to the shady advertises who made this a necessity to browse the web safely.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

Yes, because I don't like subjecting myself to propaganda and having to hope I'm smart and strong enough to recognize it and avoid succumbing to it.

"People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you're not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don't owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don't even start asking for theirs." - banksy

[-] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Well if I want to support creators, I would rather give them my money directly either by buying their merch or any payment plarform.

Nowadays ads are so intrusive. Also the way ads are delivered by knowing what I prefer is capitalistic at its finest. Not everything that I search are something I want to buy.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

Lmao what a stupid argument. If you want money paywall your content and see how many people really want to see it. You do not have the right to fill anyone's head with manipulative garbage propaganda just because you made a video about how much you love the second reich and want it to retvrn or wrote some shitty blog post.

People that call themselves CONTENT creators are the people churning out pure garbage for the bazinga-brained sake of contentcontentcontent and the quality of actually worthwhile shit would skyrocket if they would all just collectively quit because what would be leftover are the people who actually care and aren't in it for some ad views.

Artists, critics, musicians, designers, etc etc? They don't call themselves content creators like the bazinga-brained influencers in it purely to chase metrics. Tell the bazingas to fuck off.

[-] emptyother 23 points 10 months ago

Counter point: Any creator blindly putting random ad networks on their site doesn't care about their users. Every ad should be vetted and served by the creator, those kinda ads are impossible to mass-block. If an ad swindles a user, it should be the creators reputation thats at stake.

I stopped having a bad conscience for blocking when one blog who begged promised to not autoplay any audio. The very next day it of course showed a very loud ad, and the creator excused it with "he didn't have any control over what the advertisement network showed".

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago
  • I don't like getting bombarded with ads.
  • It hides scam ads.
  • If the creator of something makes something I like I prefer to directly donate to them instead of giving up my privacy, and letting a company like google profit of it, and then they only give a small portion to the creator.
[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

This "you don't care about creators" is a sham argument designed to make you feel guilty. I hear this about piracy a lot. "You're depriving all those blue collar people of a paycheck!" meanwhile the WGA has been on strike for weeks because big studios are screwing them over on pay. It's the corporate executives that are screwing these people over not some individual who downloaded a torrent or installed an adblocker. One only needs to look at who is funneling all the money into their own pockets and it surely isn't the general public.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

yes because fuck ads

[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I own my computer, and I control what is displayed on it. I can do anything I want to control what is and isn't on my screen. It is not my problem if the majority of content is reliant on an ineffective monetization method.

I do wish someone would make an ad block that faked impressions. But it would probably lose the advantages of fast load times, security etc.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

As the de facto IT guy for my family, I block ads on all their computers just as a basic safety measure.

I can usually spot a fake download button and avoid scammy sites, but my parents and grandparents seem magnetically attracted to them

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Yes I use an ad blocker. With some sites I visit, not having an ad blocker could mean the difference between my computer being destroyed by malware or saving myself by not clicking on malicious ads/full screen non-visible ads.

Also, if the content is coming from someone or some entity I am fairly certain doesn't need my monetary support, why should I bother seeing ads? That's just them leaching off me like a parasite. If I want to support a(n) person(s) and/or entity, I'd rather go as direct in helping find them as I can (such as through pateron or some other way).

[-] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

“If you use adblock, you don’t care about creator’s point blank”

If I care about creators, it makes far more sense for them to run a Kofi tip jar of some kind and let us donate directly. Having thousands of viewers watch a cumulative 35 hours of ads so they can get 7c for it is ludicrous.

I'm not even kidding. The 'profit' creators get from ads is basically zero. If they want to monetise, they use Patron, Kofi, merch stores; or they line up sponsors that pay them directly (this comment brought to you by Raid™: Beats© by Legends®)

I would much rather pay a creator 10c a month and not have to watch 30minutes of ads of their platform. Way more profit for them, way better QoL for me, and it's not like I need to go out of my way to find ads.

If they care about creators and charities, they should donate money to them. They have very little use for your time, but your lifespan is the only resource you can never ever earn back. What a fucking waste to give so much of it away, and for nothing.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Yeah and I don't feel bad about it a bit. Few YouTubers have said that by donating one dollar they're profiting more than if you watch hours and hours of their ads.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

The internet's practically unusable without it now. We'll always be in this rat race with advertisers and such. If I have the technical ability to circumvent every advertisement, I'll do it. Advertisers get plenty from the people without the tech know-how, and I directly support creators that I want to support. Maybe a bit of a "f you I got mine" position, but whatever. Zero guilt.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

But I care of now being flooded with invasive ads popup and other shit

[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As an autist, I have many challenges involving the mental filtration of information. Too much clutter or non-relevant items and I become practically blind. The internet has largely become unusable to me. AdBlock means I can still use it all.

TV-style sudden/obnoxious ads are a sensory hell that feels like someone put my brain on fire. In effect, I am too disabled to be able to watch normal TV.

Because of this societal imposed disability, excluding me from using common services without experiencing real suffering for the sheer benefit of making more money, I have taken the following extreme stance:

“Viewing of any and all ads should require consent!” My mind is mine and companies trying to hold my limited focus/concentration by using psychologically manipulative tricks is simply invasive and violates my chance to remain cognitively functional.

There are some that do ads right. For example, LTT always notifies about “segues to their sponsor [SPONSORNAME]” allowing me a brief chance to pause the vid and choose for myself if I want to watch, skip, or leave.

While I usually do skip, there have been times I consented and watched an advertisement because of genuine interest or even for my own entertainment. (Hermitcraft Grian and Mumbo produced a great ad for Mumble. I still wish I could buy those Scar audiobooks)

So yes, I feel 100% justified to AdBlock everything and saying I don't care about the creators is flat out wrong.

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[-] utopianfiat 17 points 10 months ago

"If you don't pledge fealty to your feudal Lord, you don't care about the artists for which he is patron."

I don't care about creators who demand that I surrender my privacy as the only valid show of support for them.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

I've never heard that argument.

i use ad blockers everywhere.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

I use adblock because it makes the internet usable. There's just so much crap shoved in your face these days. Not just ads that are blocked, but sponsored search results and SEO crap that you have to use your time and energy to filter out. I don't know how anybody actually buys stuff or responds to internet ads. I'm more and more on the Dead Internet Theory bandwagon.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

The internet was always a place to share. The recent move to monetize everything is destroying the internet. So no, I don't care about content creators being paid. Even so, ads are annoying, they take up my time, bandwidth and break pages and are so completely irrelevant to me.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

The "If you use adblock, you don’t care about creator’s point blank" is such a stupid argument and complete misunderstanding of the economics. There are other far more efficient ways to support creators than watching ads. Watching an hour of ads will generate a few cents for the creators and orders of magnitude more for the monopolistic platforms that host the content. The ads model doesn't fairly reward creators. I guarantee I give more to creators (via various means) than the misdirected "creator saviour" that wrote that ridiculous quote.

[-] Moghul 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes. I hate ads that interrupt my experience. Whether they're midroll ads, baked-in ads, animated banner ads, cycling banner ads, or popup ads, I don't want them. The least annoying of the invasive ads are baked-in ads because I can skip them.

“If you use adblock, you don’t care about creator’s point blank”

Correct, I don't care. Run ads that don't bother me. Have a sponsor logo in the corner, do a video reviewing their stuff, whatever. Your options aren't just to annoy me.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago
  • between malware, phishing, tracking, bloat, bandwidth hogging, and whatnot, an adblocker is as necessary as an antivirus – advertisers have had multiple opportunities over the decades to behave and consistently refuse to do so
  • most of us are perfectly willing to pay content creators directly (subscription, coffee, Patreon, merch, etc.)
  • publishers are not content creators – and publishers are perfectly happy to screw creators over just as much as they screw visitors/viewers/readers (as an example, WGA strike is already on day 51 and counting)
[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Yes I use graphine OS on a Google pixel and have nearly all FOSS apps. The few apps I can't get FOSS I cut off network access to. (Alwsome graphine OS feature)

On my home computer I use uBlock, sponserblock, and I have a piehole running.

My ethics on this mimic that of modern multiplayer games. Games make a much larger amount of money praying those willing to dump hundreds into cosmetic items so now the game is free for me. Eg. leage, overwatch, apex, halo etc. . .

I see other distributed content in this same way. If someone love a content creator so much that they will drop money on merch, or patron good for them. They make up the majority of the money the content creator makes anyway so I don't really lose sleep over it.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

I don't do a thing without ad blockers. I decide what junk I open and what I watch. When a site has ad blocking detection, it's not worth my time, ever. Ads are the cancer of the current society. When I have something, ads are useless, when I don't have it, ads are equally useless, as I don't want and need it.

When creators of content create good content, I pay, same for apps. Ad companies leaching of the creators content need to be banned. (Those companies earn a lot more then content creators on those ads)

When there is an adblocker that will trigger the payment without me having to watch the ad (or even pull it over the web) I'm fine with it, else, no ads revenue. I pay for my data subscription, I decide.

[-] Zuberi 13 points 10 months ago

Anybody not using Firefox + DuckDuckGo + uBlock in 2023 is asking for Spyware.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

I'm not a hardcore capitalist. Also i can't watch all the ads the corporations would like to feed me every day. So i'm fine with using an adblocker. Don't give stuff out for free on the internet if you don't like this. But since you ask: I really don't like that strategy to commercialize everything, to finance everything by selling ads and user data...

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Personally I use ublock origin. Adblock sold out years ago and now companies can pay them to get around their blocker.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the argument feels like guilt tripping poor people for not making their masters richer. if you only care about getting paid, I do not give any fucks about your content because it's probably garbage anyway. it seems the only "content" people like this produce are shitty hottakes of them ranting about something they don't understand.

tl;Dr if your content is just a recording of yourself then it's accurate to say I don't give a shit about the content creator in that scenario.

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[-] paciencia 12 points 10 months ago

Of course I do. Can't fathom how people still browse the web without adblockers. Especially when so many ads lead directly to malware. And ads are extremely distracting and annoying. Life is too short to be wasted on ads. Also creators are getting paid pennies on the dollar anyway.

[-] ghariksforge 12 points 10 months ago

I use ublock origin: https://ublockorigin.com/

The internet is unusable without a good adblock.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If I had to use the internet without ublock then I think I would prefer to not use it at all. And I'm saying it as a person who makes some money off ads on a website. I would never put an ad-blocker-blocker on my website though. I just assume users don't care about the ads if they don't block them.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

ublock origin and libredirect are basically a must for browsing the internet. Reddit, Fandom, and Medium are the most unusable websites, those websites are parasites so it gives me joy that I deprive them of revenue.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Yes. I don't give a shit if it's immoral.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

I don't understand how anyone can live without adblock

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I stopped caring about the ethics of ad—blocking, I got sick of seeing scams, gambling ads, and shitty mobile games, crappy services that no one actually benefits from, and malware. I have ZERO tolerance for these sorts of ads. If an app has ads, I immediately uninstall it; if a website blocks adblockers, I stop using it.

The type of ads I might be willing to accept would be contextual ads (rather than personalised ones), and they should be individually vetted by either the content creators, or their community. If I visit a Linux forum, stuff like Linode or Tuxedo Computers would be effective, if I visit a Kendo forum, ads for shinai and other kendo supplies make sense, since we are the target audience, and there is no need to violate people's privacy for this ad model. These ads would need to be non-intrusive, and not take too much space as well, and not over content, and certainly not staying on the screen as I am scrolling.

This is why when watching YouTube videos, I block ads, but I don't block sponsors.

[-] oldLady80 11 points 10 months ago

If the ads were less intrusive (some ads even show a video with the audio unmuted!) I probably wouldn't use an adblock.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

If you take a free newspaper out of your mailbox and move the ad insert straight to the trash without looking at it, are you doing something morally wrong?

I find it astonishing how many people fail to make the mental bridge from our physical world into the internet. Talking about spam emails with my mom, I once asked her: If you find a sandwich from an unknown sender that you didn't order in your mailbox, would you take a bite because it might be tasty?

I think she doesn't understand the analogy to this day ...

[-] the16bitgamer 11 points 10 months ago

Do I use adblockers? Yes

Why? Honestly it's not about the ads, nor the tracking, or user privacy (though it is a perk). Nope I block ads for simple device security.

Fake links to sites I never wanted to visit with fake download buttons, or play buttons which download viruses or malware to my machines. I remember having a machine with Norton, and having to re-install the OS every year or so since too many accidental clicks caused me to download the wrong things.

And don't get me started with those old grotesque ads found on the bottom of pages. Nor the cleanup of my Grandparents machines with Viruses that live in RAM, or Ransom Ware which a cousin installed while looking for minecraft skins.

An AdBlocker is a security tool on the internet, it makes sure that the links you are clicking are from the site itself. It helps simplify the decisions needed since now instead of 2-10 download and play buttons, there maybe 1 or 2.

My Grand Parents don't have viruses any more, I don't get viruses any more. Sure it sucks that the site I visit doesn't get the $0.05 which it might get from ads if I visit. But after trying to do it legitimately for years, I just can't trust ad providers (even on Google) to get me the correct links or information any more.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I've used it for the past decade. Literally the only time I see ads is when I look at other people's devices and wonder how TF they use them.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I'm using adblocker and sponsorblock on all devices (phone, Laptop, TV). There is no creator I like so much that I would endure those nuisances.

I do have paid subscriptions as well as ongoing patreons for some to ensure they get at least some revenue, but third party ads/ads spliced in from the main platform itself will not be tolerated.

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