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My struggle from a UNIX background in the modern "cloud" world (www.srcbeat.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can’t run vmalert without flags

Running grep without parameters is also pretty fucking useless.

500 words in to the over 3,000 word dump, I gave up.

Claims to have a Unix background, doesn't RTFM.

Nobody really uses Kubernetes for day-to-day work, and it shows. Where UNIX concepts like files and pipes exist from OS internals up to interaction by actual people, cloud-native tooling feels like it’s meant for bureaucrats in well-paid jobs.

Translation: Author does not understand APIs.

Want an asynchronous, hierarchical, recursive, key-value database? With metadata like modified times and access control built-in? Sounds pretty fancy! Files and directories.

Ok. Now give me high availability, atomic writes to sets of keys, caching, access control...

I’m ashamed enough that I can’t really apply to these jobs

This reads as "I applied to the jobs and got rejected. There's nothing wrong with me, so the jobs must be broken".

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nobody really uses Kubernetes for day-to-day work, and it shows.

Wat.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Literally copied and pasted that from the article.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

I know. I'm responding to the absurdity of it.

[–] Crackhappy 44 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Old man yells at cloud.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m now 30 years old and I wonder what I’ll feel like after another 30 years :(

[–] xantoxis 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much. I'm 48, and this rant still sounds like "old man yells at cloud" to me too.

It's not age, it's willingness to adapt.

[–] IphtashuFitz 5 points 11 months ago

Exactly. 25 years ago I helped manage a Sun cluster. 20 years ago I was on a team that managed roughly 3000 Linux servers in a data center. We racked them, monitored them, wrote tools to configure & manage them, etc. Ten years ago I helped manage Linux systems that were physically managed by a hosting provider, and we never actually saw/touched any of the hardware.

Today I help manage hundreds of AWS instances and also use tools/services from providers like Splunk, Akamai, and others. I haven’t seen/touched a physical server in years. It’s now all virtually managed via web portals, API’s, tools like terraform, etc.

[–] safjx 21 points 11 months ago

"I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!"

Literally old man yells at cloud

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I swear Im a decent coder, but fuck me if kubernetes and that whole ecosystem just confuses me

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

I am someone with kubernetes in my job title. If you as a developer are expected to know about kubernetes beyond containerizing your application then your company has set itself up for failure. As you aptly said kubernetes is an ecosystem, and the dev portion is a small niche of that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

What makes DevOps so different from sysadmin? Recruiters always told me "it's nearly the same", but I never got the job, so I guess idk.

[–] toasteecup 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Recruiters lie my dude.

They are similar but with a strong knowledge set in different tools.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Makes sense I didn't get the job, I only vaguely know the difference and it was mostly theoretical stuff like CI/CD, but those recruiters really wanted to throw me at random interviews to see if I'd stick :D

PS: sorry I offtopic'ed to recruiter-hating, gonna go find a community for that.

[–] toasteecup 3 points 11 months ago

You good homie. I shit on recruiters frequently. I have them hitting me up all the time for in person stuff from LinkedIn when it actively says no in person stuff

[–] TCB13 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“Clould-native” software co-exists with corporate jargon. They obscure and complicate in the interest of perpetuating lucrative contracts over productive environments.

“Cloud Engineers” get paid $150K+ to fiddle with these strings and make sure it’s all escaped/delimited correctly in YAML files. It’s a fucking mess. I’m ashamed enough that I can’t really apply to these jobs. Maybe writing and running software on servers in the commercial world is not a good fit for someone like me who despises corporate jargon.

This.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

hating on k8s is very in vogue currently. simpler systems like ECS exist and are really good too.

anybody bitching too hard about the tools today isn’t remembering 10 years ago correctly.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

love the blog! interesting stuff.