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I'd like to hear about people's most successful approaches or styles (even if unconventional), that helped them to overcome or at least get their various struggles under control.

So for example, Sinclair Method (naltrexone) [baclofen adjuvant] --> problem drinking.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I appreciate the question.

As someone else pointed out, dbt is quite helpful if someone never learned to cope and receives trauma/stumbles in life. This helped me a lot.

Additionally, it was my own curiosity and drivenness.

Watching and reading for countless hours and actively being aware of similarities to stereotypes helped me get a feel for situation.

Then learning about things I suspected I might be struggling with, then pointing therapists and psychiatrists in the direction until they either confirmed or denied it with evidence backing it up.

This led to a very tailored diagnosis and therapy which now helps me feel more in control than I‘ve ever been in my life (I never thought I lacked control until I found out how little I had).

Being allowed and accepted in my way of existing has changed practically everything. It even showed me that I‘m lucky to be alive since my condition, combined with mx childhood usually spells doom.

It’s still a ton to think about and a burden of sorts but it’s no comparison to the self doubt I had before without realizing.

TL;DR: I think the best therapy is enabled by a thorough diagnosis, fueled by an interested patient.

Disclaimer: Obviously I‘m talking about actual science allthough it can be frustrating. Fringe science and esoterics provide easy and comforting answers but it is not the way imo.

I hope this helps.

[–] Birdman 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was psychotic with delusions of grandeur for close to five years.

What saved me was a 9-month mindfulness based coaching course that taught me about presence, emotional self regulation, introspection, reflection and proper interpersonal communication. In the end they allowed me to see my delusions for what they were and that i had built my life on lies. These tools are now an integrated part of my personality and have helped me immensely in the years after, both in my personal relationships and in managing my mental illness (bipolar disorder type 1 and C-PTSD).

You should be able to learn the same techniques around emotional and reflective work if you look into certified MBSR (Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction) courses. Preferably in-person and at least 8-12 weeks long. Please note that these are scientific techniques detatched from the glorification and the muck that gets thrown around a lot in "spiritual" circles.

Today I'm studying public mental health work and do some work on the side of advicing researchers in the mental illness field, working to make training in these techniques into an integrated part of mental illness treatment.

I fully believe that if everyone was taught these tools as part of public education we would wipe out most of our political and societal issues withing a generation or two.

Other than that I've adopted a "listen to what the science says" mindset and make decisions based on what's good for me such as getting regular exercise in ways that work and that i find fun and eating healthy within reasonable limits (the mind needs relaxation too, sometimes in the form of treats and indulgence). Getting an active dog has also helped me to secure a minimal level of activity for myself when things get tough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mindfulness is amazing. It helped me immensely with my anxiety and depression. Honestly, Mindfulness really needs to be part of every education curriculum.

[–] Birdman 6 points 1 year ago

Absoutely, but it needs to go way deeper than the surface level of meditation. Most people think that mindfulness is just a simple meditation technique, and that's problematic in it's own way.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT, pronounced "act") not only helped me with generalized anxiety (which I no longer suffer from), but it also opened the door to fascinating research that I have been reading about ever since.

It is transdiagnostic because it exploits the fundamental building blocks and processes of cognition. In other words, it helps everyone who has mental health problems, as long as they are verbal (so nonverbal autistic people may require other therapy).

It is also 'superdiagnostic', because it improves peoples lives regardless of whether they are diagnosed with a mental health disorder.

Anyone who wants to have more flexible cognition and change their behavior, all with an empirically validated approach, could benefit from ACT.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Quitting my full time job has been the best thing I ever did for my mental health.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What changed in your life?

For example: I don't think most people can leave a full time job. But I can see people changing their life up to make part time work.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I moved into an off-grid RV. No more rent, power or trash bills. Then I realized my car was costing me more then it's usefulness at a time when the used car market was exploding. So I sold that and got a couple fold up electric scooters that fit into the RV's storage compartment. These changes have drastically reduced my expenses.

[–] foggy 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Regular exercise, especially hiking.

I have an app that asks me how my day was, I have like 7 years of data based on a scale of 1-5. It colors it from a gradient of red to green and gives a relative emoji from happy to sad.

For 3 years, I challenged myself to go on a nearby hike once a day for a whole month. It's not huge. Like 2 miles out and back, about 800ft vertical gain.

I can see so fucking clearly the three best months of the those entire 3 years were the one month of each year that I hiked nearly every day.

Talking like 2.7-3.1 avg vs 4.3-4.7avg. frown literally upside down.

Now I try to go on hikes like once a week.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] foggy 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use daylio :)

There's bushels of mood tracking apps out there, but daylio has been good for years. Def recommend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My god, daylio is the best app I have ever purchased. I have also been using it for years. The ability to have so much data on your life can really open your eyes to trends you wouldn't notice otherwise. 308 days in row right now.

[–] foggy 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bruh I got 997 days I a row and then fucked it up

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Noooo that is the worst. I got to 547 days and fucked it up. It is always around this time of year too. I am being extra vigilant with my entries this year because I want the full year of dots to print out as a poster.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feeding into existential dread, studying philosophy and trying magic mushrooms. YMMV

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm very interested in magic mushrooms.

Not to go on a long-winded rant or show my ignorance, but many religions of peace used drugs and mushrooms seem to be the easiest.

Recommendations of books?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A patchwork of things has helped me acquire and maintain a more balanced life. I’d say the largest contributor was adopting ‘radical acceptance’ as a way of life. Basically, I’m constantly, consciously accepting whatever is happening to me. It doesn’t mean I don’t try to change things but it means that I’m not always resisting everything.

[–] cheese_greater 4 points 1 year ago

I've been finding out about boundaries for a little while now—both learning to suss out others' and my own—and I have to say, life is a hell of a lot easier to move through with acceptance if you are not forced to dispense with what you need to maintain your dignity and authenticity. I feel sad I allowed the world to work on me at that level and I will never allow it again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t know their style actually. Some therapists have been more effective, and those have basically been the ones I most trusted to open up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You might have this backwards: the ones who helped you were able to do so because you felt like you could open up to them. It's all about the relationship.

[–] cheese_greater 1 points 1 year ago

The ones that you found success with, how did they make you feel or what do you think was common to them besides the factyou trusted them. What comes next after that which is common to those mentioned?

[–] Kyrgizion 6 points 1 year ago

Drugs. Not medication, illegal drugs. Ymmv. I am not endorsing anything and this is legal nor medical advice.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 5 points 1 year ago

Education and anecdotes. I work a therapist for about 30 mins every two weeks and honestly, I find much of their suggestions kinda neutral. I often ask how they fit to that suggestion. That's where they recommend a book on the topic.

Reading their book recommendations is better for me, because their advice is now given in a format where I can read and review over and over. The books have anecdotes about other use cases. It has studies. It has research paper I can personally dig into.

Honestly, my therapist is less of a "let me explain" and more of a librarian who helps me find resources myself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

watching Tony Soprano go to therapy and thinking "i wish therapy was really like this"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hi, Clinician here, just popping in to say that all theories of therapy basically say the same thing in different ways.

Don't worry too much about treatment modality. Build a relationship with your counselor and put in some effort into bettering yourself.

Positive outcomes are something like 30% external factors, 40% counseling relationship, 10% therapist efforts, and 20% client effort.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will always be thankful for Dialectical Behavior Therapy by Marsha Linehan. I have never been diagnosed as borderline, but the lack of basic coping and interpersonal skills was obvious. It wasn't a cure, but it has given me a foundation on which I was able to move forward with deeper, therapeutic processes. Frankly, I think everyone should go thru all the modules at least once.

[–] cheese_greater 2 points 1 year ago

What basic practice informed by DBT could you suggest briefly? Like what is something I can do right now that is a nudge in the right direction?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

CBT for actually getting out of a rut and sitting meditation (zazen) for staying out of it. There are many more things that help, like reducing alcohol and caffeine, regular exercise…. but meditation is what really changed the game for me.

I’d just recommend you start it with a qualified teacher. Or at least read up on it (I recommend https://www.mctb.org/ and “the mind illuminated”).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

My motorbike fixes my issues whenever I go on it. And the thought of going for a ride can calm me down sometimes. But it's usually more powerful when I actually get out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

MBCT or Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy. Basically, it's some of the core principles of Buddhism without any of the karma/rebirth woo-woo, practiced by a licensed psychotherapist, either individually or in a group. It was recommended to me for anxiety and depression and it has helped me stay grounded, recognizing and avoiding spiraling into hopelessness and resentment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Psychoanalysis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Taekwondo. Cooking. Creative projects. I've also done therapy on and off, 1-on-1 conversational therapy as well as Psychodrama in a group therapy setting. Therapy is nice but I wouldn't say it is the thing that helped the most.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Years ago, someone suggested a book called 'Discover What You're Best At.' by Linda Gail.

I had hated pretty much every job I'd ever had, then found one where I used my talents. Being able to get up on a rainy Monday and not be miserable was a life changer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Talk therapy. And, at times, medication, though this is for a diagnosed condition. Therapy is the way to go. Aggressively ditch therapists who don't feel like a good fit and keep trying till you get one that feels right.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if aggressively ditching therapists is the way to go... you have to get to know them in order for anything to work. I mean, leave if it feels wrong, but you should be hesitant to leave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I saw someone for maybe a month who would say, "Thank you for sharing that with me." That's not how I operate.

My experience is that for every good therapist you can find, you'll try at least one bad one getting to them. I've been in therapy for decades and lost good therapists to me relocating and one retiring, so three good ones and three that were shit in between.

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